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Canada: Say no to Democracy!

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Comrades,

Canada is involved in historical times. For the first time ever the democratically elected party may be replaced by a coalition government led by the opposition.

Last October Canada held an election where the Conservative Party won with a minority government (143 seats). Now the Liberal Party (77 seats), New Democratic Party (37 seats) and the separatist Bloc Quebecois (49 seats) have come together to form a coalition government (163 seats combined) to defeat the Conservative Party in a vote of non-confidence. The Governor General, Michaelle Jean, has two options to take: 1) Dissolve Parliament and hold an expensive $300M election. -or- 2) Accept the Coalition government and replace the Conservatives without an election.

So, to sum it up the people voted and elected the Conservative Party and now the losers have come together to vote against (all 163 oppostion seats vote against the Conservative's 143) and kick the elected government out and replace it with thier own. Goodbye Democracy. Power not to the people. Let the Government decide who will be the Government.


More info here at The People's Tool(TM) CTV:

Conservative Budget

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So finely orchestrated. I wonder how long that was in development. Goodbye Canadia!

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Comrade Premier Betty,

It's not goodbye Canada but hello Soviet Canuckistan, for real! When they jettison immigration laws to make the country a real citizen of the world, can I get you to hold my place in the line?

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Merciful Kim Jong-Il wrote:and now the losers have come together

Comrade Merciful Kim Jong-Il,

It seems like something similar is happening in South Korea, where reactionaries keep setting loose balloons to spread by the winds the flatulent untruths of their oppressive lackey state to the enlightened free citizens of the People's Democratic Republic of Korea.

Do not turn the other cheek but both cheeks, Dear Leader!

Oh, and I did vote for you.

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Merciful Kim Jong-Il wrote:Comrades,

So, to sum it up the people voted and elected the Conservative Party and now the losers have come together to vote against (all 163 oppostion seats vote against the Conservative's 143) and kick the elected government out and replace it with thier own. Goodbye Democracy. Power not to the people. Let the Government decide who will be the Government.


They can DO that? Oh, Canada!

This is a delightful turn of events. It is necessary to contain the hegemony of the United States, and Mexico and Canada are doing their part like the jaws of a vice. We must tighten the vice, until all deluded conservatives are squeezed out of society and marginalized.

Thank you for sharing this important development, Merciful Kim!

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First, you've got to understand that as we have a Parliamentary Democracy, we don't vote for a Prime Minister like you vote for a President in the US. We vote for our Parliamentary representative who, if they win, becomes our Member of Parliament. Each MP belongs to a party, and if the winning Party is in the minority (because we have several political parties) then if the opposition votes down certain types of bills, then it is a vote of non-confidence in the government. But this does not automatically trigger an election. In this instance, what triggered the whole thing was that the Conservative party had included in a bill to boost the economy, the removal of tax-payer subsidies to the parties... in other words, they were leading by example and stood to lose the most money of all the parties.. but it was, admittedly, as strategic error. The other parties don't want to lose the money they get from the tax-payers because none of them but the conservatives have their financial houses in order... this, despite the liberals having stolen hundreds of millions of dollars from government coffers when they were in power, by contracting, through government owned companies, to have a pro-Canada sponsorship campaign... for which the companies involved, most of them owned by friends of Quebec liberals, billed ridiculous amounts for work that was never done, and then filtered most of the money back, not to the government but into Liberal coffers... and now the Liberals are broke, because they are so financially retarded...

Now... we haven't had a no-confidence vote yet. But, by forming a coalition, the three opposition parties - the Liberals, the NDP (commies) and Bloc Quebecois (separatists) could form a majority government... what happens is that after a vote they go to the Governer General of Canada - The Queen's Representative, and she decides what will happen, governed by our constitution... Three things can happen... The Prime Minister can go and ask her to prorogue Parliament - that is close the current session. He can ask her to call an election if there is a no-confidence vote, which she would be unlikely to do because we just had one. OR, the leader of the opposition could go to her and ask her permission to form a coalition government...

The thing is, the coalition includes a party made up of people who want to separate from Canada so that even NDPers and Libs who didn't vote for the Conservatives are angry because they didn't vote to have a government with members from the separatist party being able to effect the running of the government... AND... though we are a parliamentary democracy, we are not heterodox, which is to say that whether or not we vote for a member of parliament who belongs to a particular party and the party that wins the most seats forms the government, most people vote for the candidate in their riding who belongs to the party whose leader they want to be Prime Minister. So, in interpreting the constitution, the GG should take into account not only the facts of the law but also the SPIRIT of the law... and this is fundamental to the interpretation and application of both regulatory and common law.

And the fact is, there was proof that the NDP was plotting with the Bloc before this all happened to form a coalition and were looking for any excuse to bring the minority Conservative government down. There are tapes of phone calls to prove it. Along with the termination of tax-payer subsidies to the parties (which many Canadians of all parties supported), there were also some things related to propping up the economy and the coalition parties took the opportunity to blame their decision to try and bring the government down on the basis that they didn't think the financial bailout package was strong enough, despite the fact that the Conservative government made it clear that this was only the beginning and despite the fact that before the election, the Conservative government (who despite not winning a majority this time around, gained more seats than they had last time) put money into the economy as well... The coalition was grasping at any straw as an excuse to bring the government down AND to not lose their subsidies.

As soon as this started up, the Conservatives moved up the date for their next budget and announced further financial bailout measures, and despite this, the coalition kept going, belying their excuse for their behaviour. So, the Prime Minister went to the GG today to ask her to prorogue the Parliament on the basis that both the Liberals and NDP had promised not to work with the Bloc, and that people had voted for them on that basis... in other words, they did not have a mandate to govern... and despite the fact that everyone believed she'd refuse, she agreed, for which I give her a great deal of credit.

It means that Parliament is in recess until the new year and that they can bring down their budget and it will be the first bill voted on when the new session begins... and if the coalition manages to hang together (and there's good reason to believe that it won't) and they still try to bring down the government, even after the new budget which the Conservatives have said they will confer about with the Liberals and NDP, then everyone will know that it's a ploy just to take over and it will make the all look like fucktards...

The most telling thing is that when the leaders of the other parties responded in the media to the granting of the proroguation, they all said that it would not matter how much they agreed with the budget the Conservatives bring down, they would still bring down the government in a no-confidence vote... and then they all went on to say that it was the Conservatives that were playing politics and causing instability in the country, rather than their corrupting the mechanisms of democracy to take control of the government based on a mandate they were not given by the people. They accuse the Conservatives of all manner of actions based on self-interest without acknowledging that it is they who have brought about the current crisis and without acknowledging that it is they who are acting in order to take control thereby behaving in the interests of their own jobs and not in the best interests of the country. Every 'crime' they accuse the Conservatives of is in fact a motivation for their deal with the devil in order to bypass the will and intent of the Canadian people.

Although we do not vote for a prime minister, it was clear in the last election that Stephan Dion did not receive a mandate to lead from the voters. Nor did Jack Layton, the cardboard cutout talking point dummy who leads the NDP (I am convinced that each day his staff 'loads' five talking points into his data banks and then whenever he speaks to the media, his tiniest staffer stands behind him and pulls a string like on a talking doll... and he spews out a version of one of the five points that have been installed that morning... he is able to change the wording slightly, but the similarity between his statements in any given situation after he's made the first five, and despite the repetition and the fact that there are five, he mismatches his answers to the questions so that he often emits the wrong talking point for the question he's asked, is proof of his lack of ability to think critically for himself, or to think at all... Where it not for the timber of his voice, he would sound like a talking parrot. That, and he looks like an add for Just for Men, Touch of Grey hair dye and his moustache makes me wonder if the Village People are missing a member...

In the mean time, it's taken less than a day for a Liberal MP to speak out against Stephan Dion, the current leader of the Liberal party who is set to step down in the spring before their leadership convention in May, saying that since he is stepping down, he should not be leading the coalition... Intelligent Canadians are praying that the infighting and backbiting and ego-flexing that will inevitably arise (strangely, Guilles Duceppe, Leader of the separatist Bloc is least likely of the three opposition party leaders to do this) will tear the coalition apart as quickly and as haphazardly as it was formed... the fact that there are other liberals who will be running for Party Leader in May and that many Libs think one of these people should lead the coalition but can't decide who, may be the best chance for things to fall apart... the second would be if a new Liberal coalition leader butted heads with the two other Party leaders... and maybe all these things will happen, given that they are all of them driven by their own egos and politics and not by a will to do good for the country, no matter what they may claim, or have ultimately even talked themselves into...

We can only hope.... and keep writing letters to as many people in the government as possible... which is what I've just spent the last two days doing...

So... happy days for the moment... and stability for the time being...

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Sister wrote:The most telling thing is that when the leaders of the other parties responded in the media to the granting of the proroguation, they all said that it would not matter how much they agreed with the budget the Conservatives bring down, they would still bring down the government in a no-confidence vote... and then they all went on to say that it was the Conservatives that were playing politics and causing instability in the country, rather than their corrupting the mechanisms of democracy to take control of the government based on a mandate they were not given by the people. They accuse the Conservatives of all manner of actions based on self-interest without acknowledging that it is they who have brought about the current crisis and without acknowledging that it is they who are acting in order to take control thereby behaving in the interests of their own jobs and not in the best interests of the country. Every 'crime' they accuse the Conservatives of is in fact a motivation for their deal with the devil in order to bypass the will and intent of the Canadian people.
I see that James Carville is advising you in Kanuskistan these days. In the great spirit of Our Many Titted Empress: she denounced people just before she did it herself or before it was coming to light that she had indeed done it.

I am just very thankful that she did no accuse Tom de Lay of eating roasted children on toast.


 
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