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Pending CA Supreme Court approval ....

First it was passed, then it was banned, now they're trying to get it passed again....

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!

Do they make a flavored version to go with "People's Tasty Creme"?

I won't be the one in charge of enforcing this, Comrades. I'm too busy controlling EVERY other aspect of prole's lives to even begin to CARE what they do in their bedrooms. All sex is Progressive, and thus should be party approved. Don't we have more important issues to worry about, like who hasn't furnished their contributions in time? I mean honestly... Allowing homosexual marriage means MORE SKIM! 200,000 CEUs for singles to be in the highest tax bracket and 250,000 for couples. If we let them marry, there will be more 250,000 households and therefore MORE SKIM!

Komrade Zarkof wrote:Do they make a flavored version to go with "People's Tasty Creme"?

Perhaps if the product clears regulatory actions they may make different flavors with the suppository version.

Infidel Castrate, if Proposition Eight Homosexual Ointment promotes family values, perhaps it should be given to heterosexual couples marrying, considering the divorce rate. And it should be given out at titty bars, and with every issue of <i>Playboy</i>.

Of course the best way of promoting family values is to castrate males after breeding.

Commissar Obamissar V wrote:I won't be the one in charge of enforcing this, Comrades. I'm too busy controlling EVERY other aspect of prole's lives to even begin to CARE what they do in their bedrooms. All sex is Progressive, and thus should be party approved. Don't we have more important issues to worry about, like who hasn't furnished their contributions in time? I mean honestly... Allowing homosexual marriage means MORE SKIM! 200,000 CEUs for singles to be in the highest tax bracket and 250,000 for couples. If we let them marry, there will be more 250,000 households and therefore MORE SKIM!

Commissar,

I see your strategy now, very pragmatic I must say. Perhaps we should retain homo alternate lifestyles as they are clearly useful idiots. In addition we should promote hetrosexual promiscuity, therefore it would create more welfare state, more youth to indoctrinate. More state supported STD clinics.

A GREAT way to grow our numbers.

Those youth should be easy to recruit since they would have already have indoctrination from the publik skool system ... then later in life they too would see themselves as "victims" and "oppressed" coming from a single parent home. More moms on food stamps and welfare as "victims" also. A self-sustaining circle of victims will do the trick.

Castrate, you are right that the homo lifestyle is one of useful idiots. Why, if you just saw one day at Rancho de Rio Grande with Bruno, in full Carmen Mirando drag, sitting on the floor and letting cubic zirconium cascade through his fingers as he blubbers, "Global Warming. Endangered Species..." you'd know that even one useful idiot like that can counteract even say Alan Turing or Leonardo da Vinci. Not to mention much less equal homosexuals as, oh, me.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Infidel Castrate, if Proposition Eight Homosexual Ointment promotes family values, perhaps it should be given to heterosexual couples marrying, considering the divorce rate. And it should be given out at titty bars, and with every issue of <i>Playboy</i>.

Of course the best way of promoting family values is to castrate males after breeding.

No doubt, Comrade Commissar. Humyns of every different gender and sexuality are unfaithful and capable of sharing STDs by slutting around. Besides, since we are The Party of Acceptance, it would be silly to discriminate against homosexuals.

Infidel Castrate wrote:Those youth should be easy to recruit since they would have already have indoctrination from the publik skool system ... then later in life they too would see themselves as "victims" and "oppressed" coming from a single parent home. More moms on food stamps and welfare as "victims" also. A self-sustaining circle of victims will do the trick.

Say again, over.

In other words...

Huh?

Comrade Castrate,

Our gay indoctrination programs in the public school system -- what the Party (and our Commissars for Christ affiliates) refer to as the ‘Homosexual Agenda(TM)' -- has thus far been a dismal failure. For some odd reason showing Bravo's prime-time lineup is not adequately transforming HS football teams into squads of catty fashion designers, interior decorators, musical virtuosos or artist.

Of course we tried more mild means of converting twenty football captains by using a combination of repeated showings of the Wizard of Oz while simultaneously playing the Petshop Boys greatest hits -- still, to our disappointment, they remained heterosexual.

Our scientist say it is genetic. I say that's bull shit. If the Party can completely exorcise out individualism, completely transform human nature as we see fit, and build the Communist New Man(TM) -- a flawless, altruistic and completely selfless being (for the Common Good, mind you) -- then by the works of Marx we will find a way to make those kids as queer as Bill Clinton upholding his marital vows to Hillary!

And if we can't transform them into homosexuals then, well, we will just have to do what we always do and use Commissars to make our reality for us.

Comrade Castrate,

This is not in character. One of the joys of the Cube is that it allows people to refuse to be pigeonholed. Most people here are fairly normal people, except for insisting on thinking for themselves. But it's the thinking for themselves that is ultimately the unifying theme.

There are a lot of Russian gays here--they don't in general post that much. And I am gay. I live in Texas, in far West Texas, and am openly gay.

And openly conservative too. My dentist is openly gay, and openly conservative.

I figure the best way to stop the moonbat march is to have as many people as possible thinking for themselves. Differences of skin color or gender or sexuality or national origin aren't really that important. Until I started spending time on the Cube, I had never known a Russian and had thought them to be people who in general liked giving trouble. Now I know that lots don't. I've found that lots are subtle thinkers, which may come from having to think privately for a long time, but that's another topic.

One of my problems with the moonbats is their insistence on lockstep uniformity on the passion du jour. Conservatism, on the other hand, is called the only political belief system which is non-ideological--we look at something and state, "It won't work. People aren't like that." Whereas the ideologue says, "This is the way the world should be. And I'll see to it."

Built into conservatism, or into a generous conservatism as opposed to unthinking reaction, is the ability to recognize an enemy, and the willingness to tolerate people who are not.

Based on the mouthy gays, and feminists, and Soviets, that we've seen, one could take the position that these people were against conservatism and all for coercive interference. But that takes into account only the mouthy people that we see.

One of the reasons that I came out of the closet to the world was so that gays would <i>not</i> all be considered to be left-wingers. And so that other gays, younger and less strong than I, would not think it incumbent on them to be liberals.

It has been said that conservatives don't care what you do about anything except sex and that liberals don't care about sex but care about everything else. I'd rather like people who didn't bother me in any fashion. My mother said, "Your rights end where my nose begins." But unfortunately there are people on the right who are just as controlling, at least about sex, as people on the left are. I had some fun <a href="https://www.jessicaswell.com/mt/archive ... p">here</a>.

My brother, very intelligent, very conservative, said that he couldn't vote for a man because he was no conservative.

"What will you do? Grumble out of power but in purity?"

The militants of any group always get the most airtime, look at that wacko christian group protesting at military funerals. Watch the news and you would think all christians believed the same thing. I worked in the hotel business for 7 years and had many of the the stereotypes of different peoples erased forever. Black, white, gay, straight, cross dresser - people for the most part are decent/hardworking and we are all looking to better our lives. Though I hated working in a corporate climate, I learned a hell of a lot about people and a few other things that have helped me along the way.

In the days of our Communists for Kerrystreet theater (2004), there was a man who would always come and stand with our group in Union Square (New York), but he didn't speak much. One day, the lefties who always attacked us, accused us of being gay-bashers. That's when the man stepped up and declared that he was gay and that he felt more at home with us conservatives than with the leftist crowd. They said he was lying about being gay. So he started singing a Judy Garland song, and did a very good job at that. That's when everybody believed him and the lefties had nothing else to say.
<br>Later on, when we infiltrated the large moonbat RNC protest marchwith out commie uniforms and signs - a risky affair because of liberal attacks - this man showed up in a white shirt with large black letters written with a marker, FAGS FOR BUSH. We were there with the Protest Warrior group that was still functional. One woman from the Protest Warriors approached him and asked that he wrote the same on the back of her shirt. It turned out that she was a lesbian. He took out a marker and started writing. They walked with us at the march together, with words FAGS FOR BUSH on their shirts.

That taught me a few things about judging people as individuals. Just wanted to share this story with the collective.

Wow! That Lenin is one studly example of the Marxist Superman!!!




Well, Comrade Castrate-

Have you had enough re-educating yet? Do you need more?

This Commissar was raised by two women. I had an upbringing more equal than many Comrades from so-called "normal" families. I learned values. I learned how to think for myself. I learned that people should be able to do what they want as long as it does not hurt me. You see Comrade, the liberals seek to divide us based on our differences into malcontent grievance groups. The Party must unite in our similarities into a group who wants a free society. They want microcosms that seek to force everyone to conform to their "reality." The Party seeks a Collective that champions the right of all to be who they are and be judged by by their work. We are our strengths, not our grievances. I denounce Rethuglikkkans who seek to force their code of morality on others just as I denounce DemoRats who seek to force their socialism and mandatory failure on others. We must welcome those who share the same reality rather than force them toward the left because they like to put some of their parts into different holes.

Indeed. The left tells people, "You're powerless because you're xxxx," and then, "I can help you," which means, "I'm telling you you're powerless and you'll give me the power."

This is called "Divide and Conquer." The left is trying apace to keep people from thinking for themselves by forgetting history, and polishing grievances. The NEA has become an agency of leftist indoctrination.

My only problem with some of the Comrades here is that when they start talking football I have no idea WTF they're talking about. Complete bemusement.

Just wait until the 9th circus court of appeals get in on this.

Premier Betty wrote:First it was passed, then it was banned, now they're trying to get it passed again....

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!

If you pass something and it's out of your system, in order to pass it again you need to eat it... Unless you insert it anally. And then get it out. And then insert again. And then get it out again. And so on, in and out, in and out, until you begin to like it.

And that is how progress is usually achieved.

It's like the <i>South Park</i> episode when Cartman learns to eat with his butt and crap with his mouth. There is a scene of Martha Stewart cooking a Thanksgiving Turkey and sitting on it, putting it up her butt, which is strangely satisfying. For me to see her do that.

Comrades,



I knew I wouldn't be needed here to stand up for our own mighty Commissar Theo, but I will add my two beets to the discussion by saying that the gay and lesbian community is experiencing, once again, the left's true feelings about homosexuality.
The libtards use the gay community to get elected by saying that they will get them equality; then abuse them by throwing them under the bus after being elected. And sadly, the gays fall for the libtard's lies, every time. (We, at the People's Cube, are especially lucky to have one of the few openly gay conservatives, in Theo, and he encourages others to question the status quo, with humor and intelligence)

At least the majority of the electorate on the "right", make no bones about how they feel. I certainly do not condone the actions of the religious right, but their honesty of their feelings regarding homosexuality is real.

One can hope that as the peoples of planet Earth face their future, the lifestyle one chooses to lead will not be the subject of ridicule and hate; the phrase to "Live and Let Live" will be the plurality of thought everywhere. Yes, that phrase makes me tingle with delight! What a concept....But, then and only then, will we be able to say that we live in an ideal Utopian State.

I know I won't live long enough to see it happen, but to me, this is the idiom that the World needs to embrace for all to prosper and find true happiness.

Che Gourmet wrote:Comrades,



I knew I wouldn't be needed here to stand up for our own mighty Commissar Theo, but I will add my two beets to the discussion by saying that the gay and lesbian community is experiencing, once again, the left's true feelings about homosexuality.
The libtards use the gay community to get elected by saying that they will get them equality; then abuse them by throwing them under the bus after being elected. And sadly, the gays fall for the libtard's lies, every time. (We, at the People's Cube, are especially lucky to have one of the few openly gay conservatives, in Theo, and he encourages others to question the status quo, with humor and intelligence)

At least the majority of the electorate on the "right", make no bones about how they feel. I certainly do not condone the actions of the religious right, but their honesty of their feelings regarding homosexuality is real.

One can hope that as the peoples of planet Earth face their future, the lifestyle one chooses to lead will not be the subject of ridicule and hate; the phrase to "Live and Let Live" will be the plurality of thought everywhere. Yes, that phrase makes me tingle with delight! What a concept....But, then and only then, will we be able to say that we live in an ideal Utopian State.

I know I won't live long enough to see it happen, but to me, this is the idiom that the World needs to embrace for all to prosper and find true happiness.

I don't think the religious right got it right though, religiously speaking.

Peter said Jesus left a model to be followed closely. Well, Jesus only publically condemned the hypocrites and self rigtheous, didn't he? It just seems to me the religious right is running about like a bunch of Pharisees, or blindly following those that behave like the Pharisees of old. JMHO.

I've been conducting a private conversation with Meow, in which I am advancing the view that throwing gays under the bus is only hurting conservatism. Some more <a href="https://www.jessicaswell.com/mt/archive ... p">here</a>.

But I've found that the religious right is, at least in my experience, only parroting what they're told by others to whom they have looked to for guidance, and I suspect that these people are doing the same thing. I've <i>never</i> had a problem and some of my friends are conservative Baptists who have become better friends, respecting, I think, the honesty. For they do respect that. And I suspect that they haven't really thought it all through. For all the gay people that they've known have gone away and are hesitant and shifty about their lives when, or if, they come back.

Why make people lie? Why make people dissemble? A good friend told me that since I came out I was more open and direct, and that he trusted my judgment more. When I was lying, everything had to go through an internal editor, robbing me of my courage. How did I know that I was brave, if I had to think through everything instead of doing the right thing automatically? I learned to feel great pity for spies, the ones who help us. They're living lives of duplicity.

So I do not hold these views against the religious right.

But I do against their leaders, who are, like the Heritage Foundation, using a manufactured hysteria to increase their power. On the fall of the Soviet Union, the right lost a potent weapon of fear, which was used to get power. It's classic: Present a problem; rake up hysteria; present yourself has having a solution; you need money and therefore power, for the solution. It works in politics. It works for those pills which supposedly make your privates bigger.

What I find particularly irritating is that in the same book of the Bible recommending death for men who lie with other men as with a woman (some people say that's meant as a condemnation of prostitution but I don't know), is that they ignore that the same death penalty is given to those who disrespect their parents or work on the Sabbath. Why remember just one death penalty?

At worst it's mean, at best it's opportunistic.

But my brief is to try to detoxify the Republican party (which may have to be saved from itself considering that 40% of the earmarks were Republican).

Let me quote, without permission

Chairman Meow wrote:In the meantime, thirty more gay men out West -- who despise the Democrats, higher taxes, a weak national defense, and the fact Barney Frank proclaims himself to be their spokesman -- pull the lever for the Democrat anyways because they cannot stand the thought of being affiliated with the likes of xxxxx -- or the late Jerry Falwell & Co. for that matter.

Just so.

I'll note one thing into your coversation there Theo, my 12th grade humanities teacher, in all his infinite wisdom, once told me he watches something like a religious McGlaughlin Group on Sundays, so they have a Catholic, a Jewish Rabbi, a Luthren, and you get the idea.

My teacher said something like this, "They are all pretty sharp people, but the Rabbi just takes the cake as the smart one. Anyway, the Rabbi once said, 'It's our responibility as people to take the Scripture readings and interprit them for modern times.'"

I couldn't agree more.

V. S. Naipaul defined fundamentalism for me as being someone who thinks that there was one perfect time--the time of Allah or Jesus--and every generation has been a slide from perfection.

Therefore the world as it is must be destroyed and rebuilt, but in an old way. This is the opposite of modernity.

This is reasonable. But let's not get confused and buy into the moonbat idea that the world has to be remade on the spur of the moment, which is an obeisance to modern times, throwing out the wisdom of the past.

Conservatives ought by nature to tend to be reactionary, distrusting new ideas as being dangerous and not having withstood the trials and tests of time. But that does not mean that we ought not change at all, or we'd still be living in caves.

The Amish have a sensible, but to me rather stiff idea. They're not against cell phones, but they want to make sure that they promote Amish values. We should not resist all change, but should make sure that the change will not through the law of unintended consequences wreak havoc.

Exactly, while conservatives are the party of not changing, we aren't the party of no change. Take a look at the soon-to-be tax hikes, the stimulate and all these liberal policies the Obama will push through. We as conservatives have seen the problems with tax hikes and too much government spending, it hurts the economy.

However, the world changes, and there is nothing we can do about it. If it were stable, we could live in caves if we so chose and all would be fine. However, we have droughts, so we had to move to more hospitable places. Places flood, so we have to move, or wait for the rapids to leave. If it gets to hot. . . and so on and so forth. My point is, is we have to change somethings, we as a species must adapt. We as people, higher thinking beings, though, change will happen because our needs change.

One of the best examples I can think of is the car. Think of life before the car, we had the horse take us from point A to B. At the time of it's production, it was an alternative to the horse, i.e. no horse? No problem! Later, it became clear the car would replace the horse as short, and even long, transport. We could now get to where we want faster, now we could deliver things fast, now we could travel farther, and it didn't need to rest/sleep, it didn't need to be cleaned (to some extent) it didn't need to be fed (except gas). . . and so on and so forth.

My point is, change happens because our needs change. You are right Theo, the trick is to not have the change hurt/destroy us.

Change for the sake of change is great in fashion. Or hobbies--I buy computers all too often but I love them dearly. But social change needs to be considered.

In fact it took me many years go come out for gay civil unions because I was afraid of the damage that they might do to traditional marriage. I worked my way through all of the arguments and was finally persuaded by a (straight) friend. Such is my conservatism.

Did you hear the story about the two kids in the People's State of Kaleefornia? There are two kollege kids who want a ballot vote to make marrage and civil unions one in the same, calling it domestic partnership. I'm just passing that by.

Consider the statistics for marriage--most end in divorce. People are taught to seek their own fulfillment and often at the expense of the children. People who live together do not make homes as stable as those who marry, even despite the divorce rate.

I'm all for some sort of vow to another person, because it cuts down on the hedonistic individuality. I know whereof I speak--I'm in a position of doing a lot of what I want. I own a business, was careful during good times, and can pretty much do what I want. I understand the cliff that I'm perched on the edge of.

Bachelors, straight and gay, don't live as long as married men do. It's easy to excuse your behavior by saying, "I'm the only one I'm hurting," but it took me 50 years to learn that it matters when I hurt myself by wanton or random acts.

Just living with someone else bolsters you. You live knowing that if you're a dumbass someone else will notice it. You have at the very least the impetus to live up to yourself, as reflected in the eyes of someone else.

I'm all for marriages and civil unions. But I don't think it's necessary to beard the conservative Christians by insisting that marriage and civil unions be one and the same thing--that's a poke in the eye, and it would be to one's parents too. Why do that?

There ought to be though civil unions for gays, to settle them down, and also to bring gays into the real world out of the demimonde.

Twenty-five years ago when I was having fun my ex-boyfriend and I would make sure that no one saw us leaving a hotel room together if it had one bed. If the hotel had two floors, we'd use separate floors. Never, EVER, registering together. This is humiliating and ultimately debasing.

If you are trying to have a relationship, a monogamous one, with someone, both of you working, keeping house, paying bills, never giving trouble, and the whole world makes you think that you're evil, then you get smaller and shrink, or you get angry and defiant.

And you are fodder for crazed leftists who will use your anger to further deracinate you from the people that you love and that you grew up with.

I can't tell you the number of gay friends I have whom I tell, "You're a conservative from your views. We agree on everything. Why do you vote Democrat?" And there's no answer. (The Jews do the same thing; go figure.)

Gays have spare time. We have brand loyalty. And we are for some reason we tend to be thorough to the point of monomania. And, lacking children to support, we have money. Why throw away a strong voice who by its very nature <i>doesn't want to be interfered with</i>?

I wouldn't wish a bad marriage on anyone. The religious right takes the worst examples from the Gay Pride parades as their demons. I would imagine most of them have never known a real gay person or they have and just don't know it. I find that ignorance drives the hate/fear/loathing in these people. I could not imagine trying to hide a relationship from society let alone my parents, the pressure must be crushing on your soul. I'm a Catholic which means I don't read the Bible but I have learned enough about it to know that there is some of it you would not want enforced.

As far as politics are concerned I think conservatives poke themselves in the eye when they exclude people who don't agree with every conservative ideal. It took me a long time to realize I'm a conservative but not a perfect conservative. Conservatism crosses all social boundries, it should bind people together. I'm against abortion until I put myself in the shoes of a woman, then I reserve the right to a choice in the matter. As a man I am at a disadvantage because I cannot understand the emotions involved in a woman's ability to reproduce or not. I can only defend my opinion from the viewpoint of a man with ovaries which is imperfect at best. Still, I'm conservative in every other way. I'm also not a Republican, I've been a registered Independent since I turned 18 but that is going to change. I feel that the Republican party needs a backbone and it will take people like me with time , money and a raised voice to give them one. Democrats need to de defeated, period.

I wouldn't wish a bad marriage on anyone. The religious right takes the worst examples from the Gay Pride parades as their demons. I would imagine most of them have never known a real gay person or they have and just don't know it. I find that ignorance drives the hate/fear/loathing in these people. I could not imagine trying to hide a relationship from society let alone my parents, the pressure must be crushing on your soul. I'm a Catholic which means I don't read the Bible but I have learned enough about it to know that there is some of it you would not want enforced.

As far as politics are concerned I think conservatives poke themselves in the eye when they exclude people who don't agree with every conservative ideal. It took me a long time to realize I'm a conservative but not a perfect conservative. Conservatism crosses all social boundries, it should bind people together. I'm against abortion until I put myself in the shoes of a woman, then I reserve the right to a choice in the matter. As a man I am at a disadvantage because I cannot understand the emotions involved in a woman's ability to reproduce or not. I can only defend my opinion from the viewpoint of a man with ovaries which is imperfect at best. Still, I'm conservative in every other way. I'm also not a Republican, I've been a registered Independent since I turned 18 but that is going to change. I feel that the Republican party needs a backbone and it will take people like me with time , money and a raised voice to give them one. Democrats need to de defeated, period.

Years ago P. J. O'Rourke said that Democrats are evil--and that was when they were people like Parson Carter. This new lot, students of 60s radicalism, do not believe in the goals of this country and would render us helpless to our enemies.

Red Jim wrote: The religious right takes the worst examples from the Gay Pride parades as their demons.

Every side, right, left, blue, up, down, does this. Take a look at Jack Thompson, to us video gamers, he's the kind of guy we throw egg at. Why, because he demonizes us, and basically wants to make all of us out to be future school shooters, and yes, you are right, the problem is he's never gotten to know a video gamer.

Conservatism crosses all social boundries, itshould bind people together. I'm against abortion until I put myselfin the shoes of a woman, then I reserve the right to a choice in thematter. As a man I am at a disadvantage because I cannot understandthe emotions involved in a woman's ability to reproduce or not. I canonly defend my opinion from the viewpoint of a man with ovaries whichis imperfect at best.

Here in lays the BIGGEST problem with humanity, opinions and the other side. In the animal and single-cell kingdoms, the ones without the brains (think jellyfish, bacteria and other things), do you think they even think about politics, life (think mystery of it), love, hatred, etc.? Do I think emotions and opinions should be done away with? Somedays, I do, but just remember, I'm pessimistic, and Agent Smith put it wonderfully

Agent Smith wrote:Delusions Mr. Anderson, temporary constructs of a feeble human mind trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose.

The biggest problem with opinions, they are as one sided as the clown who created it. Real knowledge is seeing both sides of something, understanding why one side functions and why the other side functions too. Whether these two sides function on one another depends on the situation, but ultimatly, the side you choose is because you have seen both sides and choose what you thought is right. Why do you think I say some of the best conservatives were once leftists?

Commissar Theocritus wrote: This new lot, students of 60s radicalism, do notbelieve in the goals of this country and would render us helpless toour enemies

If they only knew what the other side had in store for them.

Last night in El Paso I saw most of <i>Taking Chance</i>; Kevin Bacon played Lieutenant Colonel Michael Strobl, who accompanies the body of Lance Corporal Chance Phelps, who was 19 when he died in Iraq.

I had to quit watching--it was unbearably moving. The people in Montana and Wyoming showed such uniform and deed respect, which underlined my own, that this kid would have died in a foreign country and for me, that ultimately it became too much and too hard to watch.