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Shit happens; absolute shit happens absolutely.

-- Comrade Red Square

Relative power corrupts relatively.

-- Comrade Red Square's evil twin

Sister Massively Opiated wrote:...does ignorance beget plausibility? Does complete ignorance beget complete plausibility?
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We can capitalize on this structure that imitates the famous maxim:

Lord Acton, a British historian of the late 19th and early 20th centuries wrote:Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely
Notice "tends to" implying probability in the first part, which is later negated by "absolutely" implying inevitability in the second part. This is very true, and it's a masterfully coined aphorism.

But we are more familiar with its bastardized, CORRUPTED version favored by progressive media pundits:

"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Here, the inevitability of corruption is always absolute. The power always corrupts, period. The sentence becomes redundant and the structure unjustified. Stripped of its original nuanced meaning, the phrase becomes a nice-sounding tool with which media pundits continually smack the Bush administration over the head with regards to terrorist surveillance programs.

Which just illustrates the point that absolute power of the media has corrupted the media absolutely.

It's been so abused lately that this calls for a new parallel structure contest (similar to "One man's Reuters is another man's Al Jazeera").

- Standards crumble; media standards crumble immediately.

What's the opposite of power and corrupt?

- Slavishness enlightens; absolute slavishness enlightens absolutely.

What are the other meanings of power?

- Engine backfires, eternal engine backfires eternally.

What's the opposite of absolute?

- Relative power corrupts relatively.

And so on...

- Truth hurts; absolute truth hurts absolutely.
- Zero means nothing; absolute zero means absolutely nothing.
- Work pays, hard work hardly pays.

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Hillary Happens! Absolute Hillary Happens in '08!

Vince absolutely committed suicide. He was absolutely depressed.

I absolutely had no idea Mr. Hsu was corrupt and I absolutely had no hand in helping him escape justice in the 1990's or today. Absolutely! No power whatsover, absolutely!

Absolutely am I getting this right?
I absolutely think so.
There will be no questions.


H08

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Hillary wrote:Hillary Happens! Absolute Hillary Happens in '08!

Praise Lenin and pass the ammunition!

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Red Square wrote:.
Shit happens; absolute shit happens absolutely.
-- Comrade Red Square

Relative power corrupts relatively.
-- Comrade Red Square's evil twin

Sister Massively Opiated wrote:...does ignorance beget plausibility? Does complete ignorance beget complete plausibility?

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It's been so abused lately that this calls for a new parallel structure contest (similar to "One man's Reuters is another man's Al Jazeera").

Standards crumble; media standards crumble immediately.

Brilliant!

That said, I knew it.... I knew I knew it... you sit around and think up stuff like this to torture me, don't you?... cause you know this is absolutely irresistable to me... and I know you know...

Hmmm... if resistance is useless...
... and I'm powerless to resist...
.... power... resistors... ohmage... homage... no... wrong direction..
... absolute resistance equals absolute powerlessness absolutely ... both personal and electrical... hmm...

If I'm powerless to resist, then absolute resistance leaves me powerless, absolutely.... clumsy...

I'm powerless to resist... absolute resistance leaves me absolutely powerless...

Still not very elegant... this is going to take some work... does "absolutely" have to be on the end?...

Relatives beget nepotism.... ... ...Crap... now I'm getting puns here...

You do this so I won't get any sleep... don't you?...

... bugger...


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Thank you, Oh Glorious Leader, for continually testing your loyal kommissars so that we may be broken down, thus increasing our inability to compete and making us, therefore, more fit for non-competition (ow... my brain hurts... )... I somehow feel both more and less equal than I did only a short time ago...

Striving (but not too hard) to be an example (but not exemplary) of better (or if you prefer worse) living through chemicals...
SMO

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... one more try...
... Powerless to resist; Absolute powerlessness is irresistable, absolutely.

... Resistance is useless... the natives are revolting... everyone needs a hobby... justifiably prohibited... excessively modest...

I think you have to define the structure grammatically...

is it noun verb; adjective noun verb adverb... or something else?

... bugger...

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Ok, the whole dang thing has left me tried. I think I have found a cure of insomnia.

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I see we're officially Blogged...

... and yes... it does tire some... tiresome... crap...

... and then there are those of us with OCD... and arthritis... and changing weather (thunderstorms and a humidex of 41C tomorrow... not good for the arthritis), so I should probably be thanking Red for giving me something to distract me cause there's no way I'm going to be sleepng much tonight, and as I'm a bit too sore to read productively, I've already sat at the computer for too long for my body to be happy today, and TV just sucks... I spose I could sketch a bit...

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Dolphin's sketch!

(Sorry, I was thinking of those great BC cartoons where the caveman would yell out "Clams got legs!"

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A hint:

Think about phrases with the word absolute.

Absolute numbers
Absolute values
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I was also thinking about eternal search engine that searches eternally...

Also...

The party rumbles along; the Democrat Party rumbles along democratically

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Hippies smell bad. Exploding hippies smell bad explodingly...

um....

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Absolute is complete. Complete absolution is absolute.

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Commissar Pupovich wrote:Dolphin's sketch!

(Sorry, I was thinking of those great BC cartoons where the caveman would yell out "Clams got legs!"

Pups do research?!
Yes... dolphins sketch... dolphins gossip... dolphins sing and play games... dolphins paint, and take good care of their weapons and cook...

... and dolphins dream...

But dolphins can't seem to get their heads around this Absolutely frustrating word thingy, and it's making dolphins a bit crazy... All I can think about is Absolut Vodka...

Red... anything could potentially be absolute... it has to make sense.. otherwise it's just a pointlessly tautological phrase...

Absolute Zero...
Absolute Adultery...
Absolute Carnage...
Absolute Comparisons...
Absolute Oxymorons...
Absolute Freedom...
Absolute Knowledge...
Absolute Opinion...
Absolute Belief...
Absolute Relativity...
Absolute Confusion...
Absolute Impartiality...
Absolute Measurement...
Absolute Insanity...
Absolute Qualification

With regards to nouns:
- something that is not dependent upon external conditions for existence or for its specific nature, size, etc. (opposed to relative).
- the absolute;
-- something that is free from any restriction or condition.... <Sis writes: which makes it problematic... if it is unrestricted and unconditional, we could be at this for a veeeery long time... and it still wouldn't necessarily make it profound... or rather, we'd have to go through a hell of a lot of them to come up with a decent number that were remotely good.>
-- something that is independent of some or all relations.
-- something that is perfect or complete.
-- (in Hegelianism) the world process operating in accordance with the absolute idea.

"Usage Note: An absolute term denotes a property that a thing either can or cannot have. Such terms include absolute itself, chief, complete, perfect, prime, unique, and mathematical terms such as equal and parallel. By strict logic, absolute terms cannot be compared, as by more and most, or used with an intensive modifier, such as very or so. Something either is complete or it isn't—it cannot be more complete than something else."

So... if absolute power corrupts absolutely, then this is simply tautological... it's a philosophically trivial statement... it cannot but corrupt absolutely if it IS absolute... my brain hurts... One could say Limits limit... Absolute limits limit absolutely
Bonds bind... etc...
Something does... Something absolute does it absolutely...

Corruption empowers... Absolute corruption empowers absolutely...
Idiocy abounds... Absolute idiocy abounds absolutely...
Confusion predominates... Absolute confusion predominates absolutely...
Manipulation distorts... Absolute manipulation distorts absolutely...
Subjugation degradrates... Absolute subjugation degradates absolutely...
Degradation subjugates... Absolute degradation subjugates absolutely...

Power frees... Absolute power frees absolutely...

Will triumphs... Absolute will triumphs absolutely...

Enthusiasm Inspires... Absolute enthusiasm inspires absolutely...
Faith maintains... Absolute faith maintains absolutely...
Evil insinuates... Absolute evil insinuates absolutely...

... When do you want me to stop?... I could go on for an absolute eternity...

oh wait... one more... for Betty...

Lying liers lie... Absolute lying liers lie absolutley... :)

I'm just not sure what constitutes something meaninful and what's just mashing together word couplings that have grammatical sense but no real meaning... or rather, profundity, since that would seem to be the point of the exercise... they should at least be clever... or funny...

This is funny... because media and immediately aren't the same word at all...
"Standards crumble; media standards crumble immediately."

This is clever...
"Zero means nothing; absolute zero means absolutely nothing"

Nothing is sacred... Absolutely nothing is sacred absolutely... comes a bit closer... but only because 'nothing is sacred' as a statement turns 'nothing' into 'something'...

Everything is relative... Absolutely everything is relatively absolute... turns it on its head a bit, but only absurdly...

Now my brain reeeeaaaaallllly hurts... heheheheheh...
Heeeeeeeelp...

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We don't have to stick with "absolute." Notice how in the original phrase "absolutely" stands for "certainly" as opposed to "tends to." This word is used each time in a different sense. So the word that we use to substitute it had better have more than one meaning to make it clever.

But I understand that this may not be one of those structures that can be exploited infinitely. So if dolphins would rather do some underwater target practice, the pod may kindly proceed.

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ROFL... oh yeah sure... make a word game and then tell me to do something else...

You are testing me... and my puns weren't such a bad place to start... as I said, I'm powerless to resist and must now pay ohmage, albeit circuitously, to this exercise... watt can I say?... I think my vocabularly is ample... I simply have to find the right outlet...

<I'm waiting for someone to hit me... >...

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*whannngggg!*

<sound of shovel hitting SMO upside the head>

IT WASN"T ME!

<looks around nervously while hiding collapsible shovel under trench coat>

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Sister Massively Opiated wrote:<I'm waiting for someone to hit me... >...

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thank you, both of you (I know it was you Betty... you forget that you've power stapled my tongue before so I know your technique)... i believe it was necessary for my well-being... perhaps it will help me to format this whole word thing properly... I'm so close, but it just keeps slipping from my grasp at the last moment... I just haven't found the right rhythm with it yet... maybe I'll wake up in the middle of the night with a flash of idiocy...

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If you ever need a flash of idiocy, just consult the Pup. I can't tell you how many times the Pup has been told he is full of it....

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You're welcome. Anytime you need it' I'll be here with my trusty shovel

And if you do come up with the perfect word thingy thing, be sure to write it down on a sticky note. (a RED sticky note!)

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I was thinking of just scratching it into my body somewhere, but certainly, a STICKY RED NOTE makes just as much sense... I'll just cut my finger and write it on the wall... or better yet, pet Rat-Thing, which given his current mood, is sure to make the little bastard scratch me, thereby creating the required flow of coloured whatever... and he does seem to get upset when he smells blood, as if he knows he's done something wrong, so, hey... kills two birds with one stone... though I suppose that since I give him an insulin shot twice a day, he feels entitled... it's hard to get old... even for a cat...

... <heavy sigh>... I've really got to get him into the vet to get his blood sugar and other stuff checked, and it's time for his vaccinations and whatnot... another thing that has to get done next week, since he'll go in for two nights while I paint the bedroom and the trim and doors in the hallway... all I need is a paint covered cat the size of a raccoon running around the apartment... geez... no wonder I feel like I have no time...


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yes... my cat is diabetic... I had an old flatmate who overfed him and got him chubby, and just like people, cats can get diabetic... I was forever telling my friend not to overfeed him, and I put him on a diet, but he's also part Maine Coon, which is naturally large cat and has a tendency toward developing diabetes as they get older... anyway, he developed diabetes a couple years ago, and I got him on special food and on inuslin right away and it's really well-controlled. He's only got to have a tiny dose - two units twice a day - which is nothing... some cats need 15 or 20... but he's borderline and so I can't take him off of it or his blood sugar goes up too high and just like in humans it can damage his kidneys... and it makes them more susceptible to urinary tract infections, because they drink a lot of water to get the sugar out of their system and it builds up in their kidneys and bladder and they get infections... just like human diabetics... But he's 13 and he's in really good health... he's a bit heavy and it's harder for him to lose weight because he's on insulin but otherwise he's really healthy and really active... and he's a character cause he was feral until he was almost a year old... he's not a cuddlely pussycat and he's a big boy... because of his breed, his healthy weight is 15 lbs.... which is bigger than some of the dogs that live in my building... he's like a raccoon... right now he's sleeping on my feet and he's dreaming about something cause his feet and paws are moving like he's running after something... or getting chased... who knows... he's all twitchy... and he's got huge paws...

Anyway... he's been with me for a long time and through a lot of stuff and he's my boy... so I try to take good care of him... I did adopt him after all and he's my responsibility... his name is Rat-Thing, and if you look just under his chin, you can see how big his paws are...

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Woah, his paws are huge. How'd the name Rat-Thing come to be?

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It's from a novel by Neal Stephenson called Snowcrash... it's cyberpunk, and in it there's a part dog, part machine creature called The Rat-Thing - it's a cyberdog that's been created to do security... but it's power source requires that it be supercooled and that it move very fast, lest it burn out... well... when I got Rat, he was really rangey and long and incredibly fast and not very well socialized (he's from the pound)... He was named Simon, which didn't suit him at all, and we were having trouble coming up with a name that did suit him... My brother was over and Rat was running amok like a teenage male cat does, and his was really long and skinny and had these huge paws and huge ears and a really long tail, and my brother said, "he's like The Rat-Thing", and it stuck... No one calls him THE Rat-Thing... he's Rat-Thing formally, or Rat... but sometimes he gets RT - which can also stand for Rapid Transit because despite his size, he's brutally fast, so he also gets called The Quantum Kitty, because theoretically, he can be in two places at once... it's sort of a physics joke (because we're a bunch of geeks)... But mostly he gets called Rat or Rat-Thing... our vet, who is Nigerian, thinks he's a King cat... that's some kind of mythical cat, apparently...some folk thing... because of his paws and his whisker rack, which is apparently very large and full... it's not that the vet is all superstitious - quite the opposite - but that he grew up with these folk tales in Nigeria and this was one of them... So he refers to him as regal... and he is sort of, for a cat... but really, when push comes to shove, he's a cat... he's got a brain the size of a walnut and the moral capacity of a one-and-a-half year old...

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Interesting. After reading about the half robo dog all I could think of that was remotely near it in resemblance was this one demon in Doom 3 called "Pinky".

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We have 2 cats ourselves, but they got chased off when we got our dogs. Now they have to live on our neighbor's property near our fence so the dogs can't chase them and we can still feed them. One of our dogs is a Terrier/Fox Terrier mix that we often refer to as "Rat Dog". She kinda looks like a rat, but she's better at killing them.

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Sister Massively Opiated wrote:he's a cat... he's got a brain the size of a walnut and the moral capacity of a one-and-a-half year old...

Ah, so he is one of those occasional "big brained"cat beasts that pop up now and then! Now Dr. Pup would be more than happy to see if he can cure your creature. In fact, have your people get in touch with my people, and perhaps we can do lunch.

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Uh-oh Kommissars,
I think perhaps in our late night discussion we went a little off-topic, taking the Shit Happens blog in a direction that is very different than that intended by it's Creator, Our Glorious Red People's Dictator... He is noble of mind and character, and forgiving of we, his sometimes willful Kommissars' follies - particularly when committed late at night and in the spirit of comradely give and take, but it is rude of us to take the thread away from it's intended direction (and would be even had it not originated with His Rubicund Orthoganol Preeminence) and so we must try to restore it to its intended purpose... Certainly, if we were able to create an a propros statement that revolved around cats and dogs, it would not go amiss, but what is most important at this point is that we get back to Shit Happening... Absolutely Happening...

Life is a bitch... A dog's life is a bitch doggedly...

Too easy:
Curiosity kills... curiosity killed the cat curiously...

Cat's paw... fat cats paw fatuously (this requires knowing what a "cat's paw" is... )
Bells are pealing... There's more than one way to skin a belled cat, peeling. (really obscure and stretching it...)

Okay... this one involves a really bad pun(s)...
Cats and dogs... It's reigning cats and dogs, Felix and Rex...

And there's still:
Dogsbody...
Sleeping dogs lie...
The cat's meow...
The cat's pajamas
Cat's ass
Cat's cradle
Cat nap
When the cat's away
Curiosity killed the cat
Cat on a hot tin roof
Cat's out of the bag...
Cat got your tongue
cat-o-nine-tails
Swing a cat
The cat that swallowed the canary
Cat among the pigeons...

So... now that I've nudged (or rather attempted to nudge) this thread back to its rightful subject matter... and still managed to leave it mired in discussions of cats and dogs... this dogsbody... or is it cat's paw... must go and get some other 'work' done...

Apologies, Red... we'll get there... particularly since, as I predicted, it's becoming somewhat of an obsession that I actually produce something meaningful...

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Forgive my intrusion into this matter, Comrades, but I have a small suggestion that may or may not be of use.

Now, I know this doesn't completely fit with the technical aspects of the structure at hand, but it may allow the collective creative juices flowing, so to speak.

Have you considered adding a dash of chiastic structure for flavor? (for those not familiar with chiasms, I shall enumerate a bit to clarify)

I apologize up front for the distasteful use of Biblical Scripture at this, the bastion of Progressivism, but the examples provided in the Scriptures are the best examples of this writing style available.

Akin to palindromes, chiastic writing uses words, phrases and ideas from the first half of the passage in reverse order in the second half. Consider, for example, Genesis 9:6: "Whoever sheds the blood of a human, by a human shall that person's blood be shed." In other words, chiastic word patterns present a forward-and-backward symmetry that is comparable to palindromes such as "Madam I'm Adam".

The main points are made at the chiastic center of a section or of the letter, not at the end. A chiasm, like Middle Eastern music, builds up to the middle point and then reverses itself in such a way that the many illiterate people of antiquity could have listened to recited chiastic passages and realized when the midpoint was reached and when to expect the finish.

Biblical chiasms have another analogy to palindromes--no rule says a palindrome must have one letter at the pivot (deified) or two (too hot to hoot). Consider the most frequent example given in introductions to chiasmus: "'The sabbath was made for humankind, not humankind for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27).

A The sabbath
B for humankind
C was made
B' not humankind for
A' the sabbath.

Micro-chiasms give writings a quasi-poetic quality and are common in modern writings as well. For example: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

Just an idea for you to chew on...

-Mikhail

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A chiastic thoughtcrime:

Government for and by the people, not people for and by the government.

A progressive chiasm:

- Ask not what the Great Leader can do for you, ask what you can do for the Great Leader!
- Ask not what the Teachers' Union can do for the schools, ask what the schools can do for the Teachers' Union!


Speaking of religion, we can create chiastic aphorisms for the Reformed Church of Latter Day Climatologists (Goremons).

Whoever releases greenhouse gases, those gases shall that person inhale back

A lot of "progressive thinking" is caused by the logical folly of reversing cause and effect, so we can work with that. Cant's think of anything good right now...

Not a chiasm, but still...

- Terrorists Against War
- Hugs are for Arming
- Terrorist is the Biggest Bush


Back to the Bible - an idea for a cartoon -

Moses, standing next to the burning bush in the desert, is confronted by a group of activists with a big plackard saying "BUSH LIED". Their other placards say "Jews Against Moses" and "Bring the Jews Back to Egypt". As an option, we can have a Pharao's representative in the background giving cash to the leader of "Jews Against Moses" who is wearing a robe saying "StopMoses.org"

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Red Square wrote:... the Reformed Church of Latter Day Climatologists (Goremons)...

Back to the Bible - an idea for a cartoon -

Moses, standing next to the burning bush in the desert, is confronted by a group of activists with a big plackard saying "BUSH LIED". Their other placards say "Jews Against Moses" and "Bring the Jews Back to Egypt". As an option, we can have a Pharao's representative in the background giving cash to the leader of "Jews Against Moses" who is wearing a robe saying "StopMoses.org"

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Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!<cough, cough-*CHOKE*-cough>......Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!

Talk about a burning bush -- YOU'RE ON FIRE TODAY!

I'll see if I can come up with something about that cartoon, it may take a bit for me to get to, so if you want to fire one out, feel free.

-Mikhail

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For the Reformed Church of Latter Day Climatologists (Goremons) read this thread...

https://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=1140

As for the Moses cartoon, I don't think Photoshop will do it, unless you're really lucky in googling a bunch of photographs for different elements that will match each other in perspective, lighting angles, etc.

I'll try to draw it with hand, although it's been a while since I've done anything like that...

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Whoever releases greenhouse gases, those gases shall that person inhale back

I hate to say it, but this reminds me of "(s)he who smelt it, dealt it... "...

... and up there with reaping what you sow....
"Give, and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, they will pour into your lap. For whatever measure you deal out to others it will be dealt to you in return." Luke 6:38

Re: Bush Lied (which is utterly brilliant) and StopMoses.org, what about MoveBack.org? PassOver.org? ImpeachforPloughshares.org.... Papyrus, not Plagues!... or Pyramids, not Plagues! (not that the Jews of Moses' time built Pyramids... they built the store cities of Pithom and Ra'amses... a popular misconception... the pyramids were built by Egyptians)...

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Oh! So many ways that I could go with this.

Bush happens, absoulte Bush-Fires happen absolutly (um, no, let me try again).


The Bush talks, terrorism happens when we listen him.
Bushs create Zionism.
Stop the Bushs!

Um, me thinks that the Current Truth ™ needs to be updated. Tell me, what does the Department of History and Current Truth think of this?

Bush (15 years down the road) is not happy with the revolution and wishes to create more imperialism and terrorism. So, he goes back through time and uses his collection of satellites to appear as a talking bush (Oh! The irony!) and convince Moses the Baptist that the Jews living in Egypt are not living in a socialist paradise, but in fact, are slaves (which was not true, we all know that they were all just equal and that then Egyptians were just part of the Inner Party Circle™ at that time). Moses the Baptist, thinking that Bush was a "God", ran quickly back to Egypt to spread his Thought-Crimes™ across the Egyptian State™. Since the Jews and Egyptians had such good relations, the Egyptians saw no need to keep the Thought Police™ throughout the land. When Moses the Baptist™ first came to Egypt, nobody would listen to him because they all knew that he was full of Kapitalist lies, but when the evil Bush started to use his satellites, once again, to bring harm upon with Egyptians, the Jews started to become deceived. After these "10 Plagues", the Jews were completely submerged in thought-crimes and left their home. After they were gone, the Pharaoh looked around and saw that his brothers were gone and the Common Good™ had been shattered. So, he chased them down to get back the brothers he loved, but Moses the Baptist™, now completely under Bush's control, uses a magic stick, yes, that is it, a magic stick to part the waters. They Jews were now all in fear, thinking that their Egyptian brothers were coming to kill them, when in reality; their Egyptian brothers were coming to take them home so that the Nanny State™ could take care of them. When all the Jews ran through the parted waters out of paranoia, their Egyptian Brothers followed them, despite all fear, and with all courage, they went into the roaring waters to save their brothers. Bush, in order for him to maintain control, used his satellites to close up the sea that the magic stick had opened, making the water crash down on the Egyptians that were running to the Jews with open arms. After this tragic incident, the Jews went on to Mt. Everest where Bush used his satellites and space ships to make the appearance as being "God", and thus was born the most dangerous religion ever devised. Right after that, the Jews walked around in the desert for 40 years following the now crazy Moses the Baptist™, because his brain was overloaded from thought control. Now, this is where the real terror began, after walking around like a bunch o crazy people, Zionism was born. The Jews looked out unto Palestinian lands and called it their "Promised Land". The Palestinians wanted to live in peace with them, and were willing to share their land, but the Jews just wanted to kill them, and thus Zoinism was born. Ever since that time, there has been no world peace and there has been disease, famine, and death. So you see, from the beginning, it all started with a Bush.

Does my change to the history books stand? Or does the party think that my time would have been better spent watching Eureka? <Sorry, I cannot help it. When I was but just a little lad, my parents took away my party approved Ritalin. They said that I got too "depressed" and "sick looking" on it (scoffs)>, so I have been suffering with ADD ever since. Where are

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Whoever releases greenhouse gases, those gases shall that person inhale back

I hate to say it, but this reminds me of "(s)he who smelt it, dealt it... "...

... and up there with reaping what you sow....
"Give, and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, they will pour into your lap. For whatever measure you deal out to others it will be dealt to you in return." Luke 6:38

Re: Bush Lied (which is utterly brilliant) and StopMoses.org, what about MoveBack.org? PassOver.org? ImpeachforPloughshares.org.... Papyrus, not Plagues!... or Pyramids, not Plagues! (not that the Jews of Moses' time built Pyramids... they built the store cities of Pithom and Ra'amses... a popular misconception... the pyramids were built by Egyptians)...

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Good story, Comrade Fox! The textbooks shall be amended as noted.

OK, the Moses cartoon will take time, so I quickly did these two... But I can't decide which one is better.

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I have always been really partial to anything that includes the phrase, "Pull my finger..." ... or for that matter, "Pull my fin..."...

So... does this mean Sister is pardoned for losing focus and taking the Glorious Red People's Dictator's thread so far off topic?.... I has been worrying me all day...

Also... just as an aside - I realized that half a cube is a pyramid... hmm... The People's Pyramid...

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Red Square wrote:As for the Moses cartoon, I don't think Photoshop will do it, unless you're really lucky in googling a bunch of photographs for different elements that will match each other in perspective, lighting angles, etc.

I'll try to draw it with hand, although it's been a while since I've done anything like that...

Oh, I don't think you'll need to draw it by hand, though you may want to progress as you are. I think that I can get something together but it will take some time. I'm fairly resourceful when properly motivated.

I'll get on it ASAP.

-Mikhail

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RedtheProgressiveFox wrote:Oh! So many ways that I could go with this.

Bush happens, absoulte Bush-Fires happen absolutly (um, no, let me try again).


The Bush talks, terrorism happens when we listen him.
Bushs create Zionism.
Stop the Bushs!

See... it is not so easy... I am still just pleased that I managed to get out
Life is a bitch... A dog's life is a bitch doggedly... and mine pretty much still sucks...

What about Bush burns... etc... or Bush lies... Liers often have pants on fire... hmmm...

RedtheProgressiveFox wrote: So you see, from the beginning, it all started with a Bush.
They always blame it on the woman...
RedtheProgressiveFox wrote: Does my change to the history books stand?
I enjoyed very much, but perhaps it needs Manna... manna falling from the sky... and golden calves... and commandments... think what you could do with pointy commandments!!!
RedtheProgressiveFox wrote:Or does the party think that my time would have been better spent watching Eureka? <Sorry, I cannot help it. When I was but just a little lad, my parents took away my party approved Ritalin. They said that I got too "depressed" and "sick looking" on it (scoffs)>, so I have been suffering with ADD ever since. Where are
Aha!... is Sister's difficulty too... though no hyperactivity, sadly, or perhaps I would get more accomplished... but it is why I am having trouble with word game... cannot focus... cannot find the right words... cannot find my pil

umm... what was I saying?... oh yeah... pull my fin..

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"Whoever releases greenhouse gases, those gases shall that person inhale back"

Also... Sister just realized that Algore is indeed miraculous... with just one pronouncement, he has refuted the age old belief that one cannot Suck AND Blow... or vice versa...

How much can one dolphin learn in one day?...

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Hmmm, I have to wonder if some of these suggestions about Moses and the burning bush were the result of my comrades reading a post I made earlier today in the Bible thread? But surely, a comrade would not take credit for another comrades idea Da?

BTW...

"Government for and by the people, <b>not people for and by the government</b>."

Ah, but dear Bill tried.....

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Mikhail T. Kalashnikov wrote:I think that I can get something together but it will take some time. I'm fairly resourceful when properly motivated. I'll get on it ASAP.
We didn't threaten you yet, and you already are properly motivated? That's the spirit of the New Man! You may proceed with the project, comrade.

(So that's what Tom Sawyer felt when he gave away his paint brush...)

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Commissar Pupovich wrote:Hmmm, I have to wonder if some of these suggestions about Moses and the burning bush were the result of my comrades reading a post I made earlier today in the Bible thread? But surely, a comrade would not take credit for another comrades idea Da?
Comrade Commissar Pupovich,

As to ideas regarding bible thread, I cannot say... but Cube is for sharing of ideas and it is often the case that we inspire one and other, or that one will see potential in a passing remark or idea put out by another Cubist, and 'run with it', thereby creating something greater than was intended or imagined. Is the way of the Smileys™ and the Idiot's Guides™ and One Man Thingy is another Man's Thingy™ - Is the flash of inspiration that graces us with the Church of Climatology™... Is responsible for our forward thinking position on cross species, appliance, vegetable unions which are a model of diversity and tolerance... for our promotion of the arts through The People's Karaoke™, and even for our acceptance and tolerance of Trolls, to the point where we will feed them and provide them with free medical care and we only poke them gently with sharpened sticks...

Great Red and C. Otis are very good at seeing big ideas in small details and finding the meaning in things that go far over Sister's head... and at explaining them to her... Meow has inate talent for cultivating mountains of righteous indignation from molehills of flippancy... and of turning them into lucrative opportunities, and Dr. P, I suspect, is often behind the scenes, provoking Meow when his energies might otherwise flag - in this, they make a good team... Betty is talented at finding absurdities in even the most mundane of situations.... I could go on and on (and usually do... ), about the talents of RedtheProgressiveFox (a pointy rodent/vulpine cybergenius and friend of both robots and wildlife as well as stay-at-home pater to three genius future revolutionary hedgehogs) and Branish and Blugonov and Theocritus (Purveyor of geekgasms whose wideranging interests and vast knowledge would require very long descriptive indeed, but whose wisdom Sister has Massive respekt for)... Laika, Noble Hero Dog, Friend of The People™, guides us in correctness and pumps up the volume on Friday nights from 10:00 to 1:00, inspiring us with retro 80's classics while guarding the frequency... always guarding the frequency, Kenneth.... and Pravda cheers us on (where the hell is Pravda, BTW?... I am becoming concerned... he is veritable lexicon of modern revolutionary music - and in this we share a certain kinship) as well as helping Meow to keep some semblence of sanity by keeping some of his more outrageous behaviour (relatively speaking) in check... I leave other Politburo members out b/c of tiredness and discomfort from weather, but unintentionally and with apologies... Rik and ZB, and Smersh, who shows up to scare the shit out of us when we least expect it, thereby keeping us on our toes, our shovels sharpened...

We all of us have our strengths (and I my weaknesses, admittedly), and we share these and our ideas freely for the Greater Good™ of The Party™ and of The People™, of The People's Cube™, and always, FOR THE CHILDREN™, so that we may guide the kollektive and bring about The Progressive World of Next Tuesday™. It matters not who is responsible for this or that idea - only that we do not squander these resources by misdirecting them or our energies. It matters not whose idea was cause for inspiration, as this is ownership of the very means of produktion of the Cube, whose chief produkt is ideas... or so I believe...

Respektfully
Sister

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Red Square wrote:
Mikhail T. Kalashnikov wrote:I think that I can get something together but it will take some time. I'm fairly resourceful when properly motivated. I'll get on it ASAP.
We didn't threaten you yet, and you already are properly motivated?...

No need for the shovel treatment, sir.

Take a look-see at this to start with. Is this what you were thinking of? The figures are kind of tiny, but there was no way to avoid that due to perspective, unfortunately.

Give me the top three slogans to put on the placards - and keep 'em pithy, please. Also give me any other ideas you have, 'cause this is so far just a draft.

Good luck, team!
-Mikhail

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Here's a cropped down version:
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OK, must sleep....

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Mikhail T. Kalashnikov wrote:Take a look-see at this to start with. Is this what you were thinking of? The figures are kind of tiny, but there was no way to avoid that due to perspective, unfortunately.

Give me the top three slogans to put on the placards - and keep 'em pithy, please. Also give me any other ideas you have, 'cause this is so far just a draft.

Good luck, team!
-Mikhail

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Awesome!... which is about as articulate as I can be at this point in the middle of the night... heheheh... and I've already contributed my three (or so) in an earlier post... One thing I did remember, though, looking at the picture, is that historically, Moses was often painted with what people thought were horns... Some obscure piece of information from some long ago art history course... and what they were, were supposed to be beams of light... I think I remember them being really obvious in some Wm. Blake prints... But they're not important to the picture... it was just something I remembered that I thought was interesting and I don't think it could even be used meaningfully for our purposes because it's too obscure...
<br>This is just copied and pasted from Wikipukia... it's under Depictions of Moses... and doesn't capture the links or the Hebrew because of my Mac/font thing, and I'm not going to take the time to code the HTML for it... anyway... It doesn't even have any relevance... I've just always found it interesting because you can tell, without knowing the subject of many religious paintings, that the character you are looking at is Moses because he's depicted as having horns of light coming from his head... Just as there are some paintings (less than with Moses because the high priests in the temple in Jerusalem wore the same breastplate that Moses' brother Aaron did - Aaron being the first hight priest)... but you can often tell that you are looking at a depiction of Moses' brother Aaron because of his garments and the priestly breastplate, as long as the context of the painting is such that you know you're not looking at a Temple High Priest in Jerusalem... it's interesting the visual cues that we've lost an understanding of today, but which were universally understood by people at one time or other... the symbolism that no longer has meaning...

Anyway... I'm including this just cause it's sort of interesting... or I find it so... I'm sure others don't really care, but for those that do...

"Horned Moses
Exodus 34:29-35 tells that after meeting with God the skin of Moses' face became radiant, frightening the Israelites and leading Moses to wear a veil. Jonathan Kirsch, in his book Moses: A Life, thought that, since he subsequently had to wear a veil to hide it, Moses' face was disfigured by a sort of "divine radiation burn".
This passage has led to one longstanding tradition that Moses grew horns. This is derived from a misinterpretation of the Hebrew phrase karan `ohr panav (????? ???? ???????). The root ??? Q-R-N (qof, resh, nun) may be read as either "horn" or "ray [of light]", depending on vocalization. `Ohr panahv (???? ???????) translates to "the skin of his face".[74]
Interpreted correctly, these two words form an expression meaning that Moses was enlightened, that "the skin of his face shone" (as with a gloriole), as the KJV has it.[74]
The Septuagint properly translates the Hebrew phrase as ?????????? ? ????, "his face was glorified"; but Jerome translated the phrase into Latin as cornuta esset facies sua "his face was horned". [74]
With apparent Biblical authority, and the added convenience of giving Moses a unique and easily identifiable visual attribute (something the other Old Testament prophets notably lacked), it remained standard in Western art to depict Moses with small horns until well after the mistranslation was realized by the Renaissance. Michelangelo's Moses, is probably the best-known example.
Not all the Renaissance Italian painters gave horns to Moses. The Venetian artist Tintoretto depicts Moses' face as radiating light, in his series about the life of the prophet in the Scuola di San Rocco."

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SMO... you have left a poor Pup humbled with your wisdom! I will strive to do better.

BTW... love that "Meow has inate talent for cultivating mountains of righteous indignation from molehills of flippancy... and of turning them into lucrative opportunities."

I may have to borrow that expression one day!

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One need not even borrow it... it belongs to the kollektive insofar as it belongs to anyone... ;-)

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Not bad. I'd turn Moses around to face the crowd, either with the bush or independently of it. The bush may be in the center for a better composition, but I'd have to play with it to make sure. Right now there's too much space on the left-hand side. I'd make one large banner on a piece of cloth attached to two poles held by two people on the opposite sides of the crowd. It must say "BUSH LIED" or "BURNING BUSH LIED". Other placards say "Jews Against Moses", "Bring the Jews Back to Egypt". I liked SMO's "MoveBack.org" and "Papyrus, not Plagues!"

Remember that there can be only one central theme in the image that'll be immediately recognizable. Then it'll have impact. Otherwise it may get diluted and fall apart. It's a cartoon, not a graphic novel. Of course, it can be a series of images, with enlarged fragments following the main one. In that case we can implement all the other ideas, including the Egyptian agent bribing the activist leader with a sign "StopMoses.org"

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well... trees are for hugging, not burning...

it does have to remain simple... otherwise Red's right - it's not a cartoon... It's got to have a "zinger" and that's it... the rest of the stuff in the background may be clever, bit it can't be complicated...

of course, if the banner read "Burning Bush Lied. People Died" it's still simple and it mirrors Mimish propaganda... The other thing is, just because it's a cartoon, doesn't mean it can't have another cartoon after it... I mean - didn't that Danish kerfuffle revolve around a series of cartoons... so if the bush is on fire, it's creating air polution... who's credits are paying for that?... did they have to buy carbon credits? how many shekels or piasters (or for that matter, how much wheat and barley) exchanged hands for the credits... what about the environmental impact of the plagues?... so much material... so little time...

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Mikhail T. Kalashnikov wrote:
Red Square wrote:
Mikhail T. Kalashnikov wrote:I think that I can get something together but it will take some time. I'm fairly resourceful when properly motivated. I'll get on it ASAP.
We didn't threaten you yet, and you already are properly motivated?...

No need for the shovel treatment, sir.

Take a look-see at this to start with. Is this what you were thinking of? The figures are kind of tiny, but there was no way to avoid that due to perspective, unfortunately.

Give me the top three slogans to put on the placards - and keep 'em pithy, please. Also give me any other ideas you have, 'cause this is so far just a draft.

Good luck, team!
-Mikhail

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Here's a cropped down version:
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OK, must sleep....

Hey, I like it. Although, I think that Red is right (Red is right, nice ring to it, maybe we can use it some time). I think that Moses needs to be facing the crowed, with him facing the "Bush" instead, it looks as if he is going to speak to Bush/God on behave of the people. Turned around would look much better.


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RedtheProgressiveFox wrote:Does my change to the history books stand?

I enjoyed very much, but perhaps it needs Manna... manna falling from the sky... and golden calves... and commandments... think what you could do with pointy commandments!!!

Ok, let's see. Manna falls from the sky because even though the Jews left Egypt, the Egyptians still loved them, so they got into their airplanes (yes, airplanes), and dropped "peace bread" below to beckon their brothers to return home. When the bread hit the ground, it all fell into a million different pieces and Moses told the people that it was from a "God" (who is really Bush), and that it was not shattered peace bread, but manna.

The golden calf was the Jews attempted to go back to the proper ways of progressive fellowship, at which point Bush looked down and saw the need to make unnecessary laws, waisting no time; he started with 10 to gain control of the people. When Moses came down, saw the progressive fellowship that was going on, he got so mad that he threw down Bush's laws and made of the golden calf (which was built in the name of progress) into dust and threw it into the water. The water then turned red as a sign of the evil that Moses had done, so to cover it up, Moses made the people drink it. Thus, all evidence has gone, and every time a Jew tried to revert back to the progressive ways, Bush always came in and passed "judgment".


Ok, SMO, you better make me stop now, before I write more on a story that is only remotely related to the forum :).

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Dearest Comrades,

Great suggestions! I usually work alone - it's nice to have a little input.

You guys are absolutely right, Moses need to face the crowd. I see the logic now. I'll probably put him with his back to the bush, but I'll try it both ways to see which works better. A banner, yes, good, with 'BURNING BUSH LIED'. Do you want the "people died" part on it too? I think just the first part has a good punch to it, you can almost see the people chanting the whole phrase in your mind. I had a flash last night when I was just dozing off - how about one of the placards saying "The Ten Plagues Were An Inside Job"? Too much? (yeah, probably too much)

How about "Exodus Was A Lie"? -Eh, not so good. As for the website names and stuff that won't fit on the placards, I can put little signs at their feet like I see Code Pinko do all the time (maybe the cards can be pink?). Oh well, I'll get to work on this again tomorrow. I helped someone move a house full of crap today, and I'm pooped. This shall continue soon...

-Mikhail

P.S. Red- I'll edit and clean up the above posts of mine when this is all done so you don't have all the crappy pictures and external links clogging up your fine post, OK?

Thanks -Mikhail

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RedtheProgressiveFox wrote:Ok, SMO, you better make me stop now, before I write more on a story that is only remotely related to the forum :).
.. Oh non non non non non, Mon ami de Renard Rouge Pointu.... is all to do with project, and as with Mikhail saying, "P.S. Red- I'll edit and clean up the above posts of mine when this is all done so you don't have all the crappy pictures and external links clogging up your fine post, OK?", I do not think it is necessary... necessarily...

Ultimately, it is The Great Red People's Director's decision, but under some circumstances, making process transparent can be to the good of People™ and the Party™... particularly if it is something innocuous which we can later use to illustrate that The Cube is not oblique as a matter of course (but that there may be instances of Geometrical Security which call for secrecy upon occasion... and that hypothetical instance is one of them...)... Of course, I am also very very tired and so it may be that from a policy standpoint, even bothering to consider addressing transparency and occlusion with The People™ is not in the best interests of The Party™, and therefore, not in the best interests of The People™, as one naturally derives from the other, and since it's none of the Proles freaking business...

Oh why am I even thinking of such things?... I am indeed tired... In any case, neither should concern yourselves with tidying up... is why there is Kommisserate of Housekeeping... You reap 'em. We Sweep 'em... Let us look after all your Housekeeping needs... No... Really... It is in everyone's best interests, as we are Professionals... We like to say, "No stain too large. No stain too large."...

I really cannot believe how exhausted I am... I know I have not been sleeping well lately, but I am beginning to suspect that aside from the shorter days effecting my circadian rhythms and making me want to sleep more, that Meow has once again "accidentally spiked" EVERYTHING with one or more kinds of 'entertainment'... He sometimes believes he is being generous by knocking us all on our asses for some sort of enforced vacation, but bunkers must still be maintained, disappearances disappeared, compost composted, dissections dissected, and Limousine fleet hosed down and gone over with fine tooth Baleen comb (donation from elderly cetacean Cube fan upon his seaweed deathbed... he was an aged and beloved Party-member who had lived to see many things and to break the backs of many a Japanese whaling vessel, causing little snacks to tumble into the waters below for the sharks and Orcas to nibble upon... he held a great party and his appetizers were always top class, despite the fact that he was limited to filtering krill from the water through his Baleen... and as with all Humpbacks, he was a Great singer... A Great Whale... ahhh... <sniff>...)... I'm sorry... I know now that it is most certainly Meow's 'largesse' at work where my tiredness is concerned, as the loss of energy from seasonal affective disorder does not leave Sister a weepy sentimental mess, but "E" does... I will have to have a word with Meow about the proper etiquette for slipping his comrades Roofies, especially when it is going to effect our work... it's just that being f**ked out of his gourd so rarely effects the quality of his... <sniff> In any case, back to work...

Okay... where was I... oh yes... Red can decide if the thread needs tidying or not...

As for the PassOver.org story, I believe that for the moment we shall leave it as is, and it may even be that you are asked to expand on it, as the original Hagaddah, or book used during the Passover Seder, or dinner has been in use for a very long time now and I think perhaps it is time it was updated, and with accordance to Party models of history and worship... again, the call is Red's, but Pointyness, up to now, it is a fine and imaginative tale... a real Picaresque... so no worries... Red himself has taken the thread in this direction so for the time being, we are covering safe territory and he is clearly not concerned about possible need for re-edukating the People as a result... It is, after all, a morality play, and so useful...

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Sister Massively Opiated wrote:I really cannot believe how exhausted I am... I know I have not been sleeping well lately, but I am beginning to suspect that aside from the shorter days effecting my circadian rhythms and making me want to sleep more...

Fear not Sister, the Party has heard your plea! Commissar Theocrtius and I were speaking in another thread of the problem of time management and how to accomplish all the Party's needs in a 24 hour day. I pointed out that we needed to think outside the box, for why should we be limited to a mere 24 arbitrary segments of a day as devised by reactionary Capitalists? Look only to our Motherland, they achieved greatness without the need to fall under the slavery of the Roman Imperialist calendar! As Theocritus wisely noted, in this way one would always have the time to do what must be done, and on the other hand, one could shorten interminably long boring meetings.

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Well... I may have a solution for myself... Although it was not a good day for certain reasons, my friend showed up at one point with a SAD light that he got on sale - usually ridiculously expensive but on sale for a very very good price, so I will begin sitting in front of it's 10,000 lux glow for 20 - 30 minutes each day and supposedly it will help me with my energy...

For you, may I suggest that since the 24 segments you are working with are arbitrary, that you simply decide to have more of them in a day... certainly, I believe you could be persuasive enough with the Politburo to have them declare... I don't know but off the top of my melon... at least 28 arbitrary segments for you to use, as long as you could sync them properly with the rest of the Administriviation's time-keeping...

F**k The Pax! They died of their own decadence (those roads and aquaducts aside)!
SMO

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This reminds me of the amplifier one of the Spinal Tap guys had, which had the volume dial changed from ten notches to eleven. We'll need to do something like that with our clocks in The Progressive World of Next Tuesday™. That way everybody will be putting in more hours and utopia will approach faster.

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... "these all go to eleven..."...

... one of my favourite movies... the same scene with all his guitars and there's the one that's never been played... 'no, don't touch it..."... "don't even look at it"... "no... don't film it"...

"These all go to eleven" has become a kind of catch-phrase among my friends and I (and I'm sure for many other people as well) for absurd things for which one has no answer.

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Sister Massively Opiated wrote:Well... I may have a solution for myself...

Comrade! I am rather dismayed that you would think in such selfish ways! If you have a solution, then it should be For The People™ to use!

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yes... well... The People™ are all welcome to come on over to my flat up in the wilds of Kanada and use the light if they please... though it was more a matter of phrasing as it was a gift... if The People™ wouldn't mind bringing some milk or cream over for coffee when they come, that would be great, as I'm all out and don't really feel like running to the store... I will, of course, make them coffee... or tea, if they prefer...

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As long as it is Starbucks (the progressive coffee of choice). :)

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For you, anything... especially given that I have just denounced Pupovich at bottom of blog as a cat-hater of the worst sort... soon, he will be spewing his bile towards Foxes, Hedgehogs, Squirrels, Moose, and Hildos... What next? The Glorious Tupolev?... I am most disappointed... most disappointed...

... do you want foam with that?... a little sprinkle-dinkle of chocolate?... they say it helps with SAD too... I'll get the light...

SMO...

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Ah, thank you SMO. Yes, it looks as if the dear Commissar is still in need of some redukation. Maybe some night courses so that he can keep his day job. He has done so much for the party and I feel there is still yet some use for him.

Yawn, as much as I love it here on the Cube, I must go to bed. I got to get up and run tomorrow (that is if it does not thunderstorm again).

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RedtheProgressiveFox wrote:Ah, thank you SMO. Yes, it looks as if the dear Commissar is still in need of some redukation. Maybe some night courses so that he can keep his day job. He has done so much for the party and I feel there is still yet some use for him.

Yawn, as much as I love it here on the Cube, I must go to bed. I got to get up and run tomorrow (that is if it does not thunderstorm again).

Agreed... much to much to do in the next few days, but still - nothing like a good strong cup of coffee before bed... and upon waking... and at hourly intervals in between... Fair Trade coffee, of course...

Certainly, a little 'learnin' never hurt... or at least, not much... heheheh... but I too am tired and it is almost 3:00 and having taken my meds and made my cocoa (it is ritual - and keeps meds from upsetting delicate dolphin tummy... heheheh), it is definitely time to allow The Rat-Thing his rightful place blocking me into the couch so I cannot move... plus, I have to get up very early to pick up ever more relatives from airport and get ready for first class of pain management course (which will be welcome break from crazy relatives... and is good day to start pain management course as Accu-Weather online arthritis pain index is promising to be in the extreme red all day because we do have rain here and possibly thunderstorms... is very good index mostly, and easy to use because it goes from blue through green, yellow and orange to red... like terror alert!)... certainly, I could not go amiss amputating right leg at this moment, if I could only be sure of being able to glue it back on later... Hey... are you not Commissar of cybernetics?... can you replace body? Or some defective parts? If so, please let me know and I will make list... heheheh...

Sweet pointy dreams and possible good jog in morning...
SMO

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Hello Comrades!

Try this...let me know what adjustments need be made.

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It kinda looks a bit too busy, though it does portray a lot of information. Also, there can be an article (ala New York Times) that accompanies it and gives the story of the protest from the protesters point of view through their quotes and such.

Like: "One man from StopMoses.com said 'Blah, blah blah.' which got the crowd chanting 'Burning Bush Lied, People Died'" etc, etc.

Anyway, let me know

-Mikhail

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Sister Massively Opiated wrote:For you, anything... especially given that I have just denounced Pupovich at bottom of blog as a cat-hater of the worst sort... soon, he will be spewing his bile towards Foxes, Hedgehogs, Squirrels, Moose, and Hildos... What next? The Glorious Tupolev?... I am most disappointed... most disappointed...

You were in error to have done that as I refuted said denunciation in the same place. But since you are so far behind on your denunciation quota, I can understand the desperation.

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Sister Massively Opiated wrote:I have to get up very early to pick up ever more relatives from airport and get ready for first class of pain management course (which will be welcome break from crazy relatives... and is good day to start pain management course...

What exactly is "pain management courses?" I am a firm believer in pain management... and they have some good drugs for that. I am not a believer in mind over matter etc. but I have faith in chemicals. They actually put me on an antiseizure med recently that while it doesn't take away the pain, I do seem to have fewer bad days than before. On those days... ah, give me my hydrocodone... and even with that, the only time I really feel "normal" is when I take one and can sit back in a recliner with my feet up and get lost in tv.

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It is all in the Cube's history should one wish to discover it - it is not hidden and there are many instances of my explaining it. Those who have been part of the landscape for any amount of time are generally well-versed (Versed... hahahah.. a little medicinal pun) when it comes to my situation and I do not hide my ongoing health issues. My name is not purely derived from political doctrine, nor are the medical conditions which necessitate my using pain medications something I hide.

I am sorry you have not found relief in methods of pain control that utilize such things as the mind, for although I do not think they are the complete solution to chronic (or even acute) pain by any stretch of the imagination (however you choose to define that), I think they have their place in a person's 'tool box' of coping skills, and unlike you (I assume here as you mention anti-seizure medications, though that may simply be well understood and time tested benzodiazapines), there are few of the newer multi-use medications that I tolerate well... actually... none that I've found, and so I have to rely on good old fashioned opiates and benzodiazapines, though not hydrocodone, which I find puts a veil between the world and myself... oxycontin as well I find to be profoundly depressing...

I prefer plain old morphine, which is not frowned upon in Canada. However, SSRI's, NSRI's, SNRI's, tricyclics, Gabapentin, and some benzodiazapines (Valium and Clonazapam, and if necessary, Ativan aside) are not things I tolerate at all... I have tried the newer meds such as Starnoc and Imovane and Lyrica and Remeron etc. etc. and I have equally bad reactions to them, and even Valium turns me into a zombie... while Clonazapam is useful only for muscle spasms... and so I use other techniques, including meditation and CBT (which you do not believe in, it seems, but which I found, to my great surprise, helps... the meditation is simply part of my Zen practise) to help with the lower level chronic pain that is constantly there, and this allows me to use less opiate-based medication on a constant basis, and less full release medication during crises and severe bouts of breakthrough pain. Unfortunately, on a day like today when it is raining and the air pressure is low and continutes to drop quickly, breakthrough pain does not begin to describe what I am treating, and so while I do my best to learn and develop coping mechanisms such as CBT because I think every little thing helps, I do not and cannot rely solely on such techniques. And if you have experienced chronic pain (which you obviously have) then you know that it doesn't matter what you do, you will always have it - so it is never a matter of 'a cure' but rather, having as many things in your arsenal as possible to bring to bear when necessary. I do not know what 'normal' means... it is simply normal for me to have some level of pain, and I do not like to get lost in anything... life is too short... although I might argue in moments of extreme discomfort that life is too long... but that is only a temporary state of mind...

In any case, I have many things to do today, including beginning a new pain management course this afternoon... as for my 'denunciation quota'... we aren't giving out speeding tickets, and again, if one is about TPC's landscape long enough, one will understand that my role here is not generally to denounce but to clean up the mess afterward... which should tell you how rare I am brought to the point of feeling the need to bring my privileges in that regard to bear...

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Ah, pain management. That was my first job in the Party apparatus. However, my methods of managing pain were limited strictly to the shovel. No fancy-shmancy chemicals can replace that. That, and the ice pick. As a result of our pain management activity in the reported period, thoughtcrime statistics went down drastically.

The lobby of my Pain Management Department was decorated with a slogan: NO PAIN NO GAIN. To state it more explicitly, MORE PAIN=LESS THOUGHTCRIME.

Red Square
Former Pain Manager

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Mikhail T. Kalashnikov -

Excellent work! The composition is good and everything seems in place. A few things:

The writing on the placards is too tiny and in the wrong font. Can you use some plain condenced san serif? It'll allow you to use larger letters in the same space.

The image of God is too heavy and outbalances the crowd. I'd make it faded out, barely visible.

In the end, I'd make everything more contrast and add poster edges, make it look more like a comic book cartoon. If you don't know how to do it properly, let me handle it.

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Mikhail T. Kalashnikov wrote: It kinda looks a bit too busy, though it does portray a lot of information. Also, there can be an article (ala New York Times) that accompanies it and gives the story of the protest from the protesters point of view through their quotes and such.

It looks great! I love The Plaques Were an Inside Job!

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Sister Massively Opiated wrote:It is all in the Cube's history should one wish to discover it - it is not hidden and there are many instances of my explaining it.....none that I've found, and so I have to rely on good old fashioned opiates and benzodiazapines, though not hydrocodone, which I find puts a veil between the world and myself... oxycontin as well I find to be profoundly depressing...

Mmmmm....opiates.... Oh, how I remember well that nice warm feeling I would get when they would give me that extra dose just before the doc would come in and debride my wound, and even with all the meds, it was all I could do to keep from screaming. My Lenin, I do think I know a little bit about what it is like to have a battlefield wound. How they handle it is beyond me. At the beginning, it took 12 rolls of that bandage gauze to fill the hole in my leg. My pain isn't nearly so bad now, but there is always some, background like, and at times it can be much worse. What is almost as bad though is the pain I now get in my right hip from the "old man" walk I have now that puts more pressure on the opposite hip.

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Commissar Pupovich wrote:It looks great! I love The Plaques Were an Inside Job!
Is from News We Just Don't Have Time to Write About:
Bird flu cases in Egypt: Pharaoh blames God of Israel for sending 11th plague. I thought I remembered it being from around Passover '07 but news story is from January... maybe it wasn't posted until Passover or there was something else going on that triggered it...

Commissar Pupovich wrote:Mmmmm....opiates.... Oh, how I remember well that nice warm feeling I would get when they would give me that extra dose just before the doc would come in and debride my wound, and even with all the meds, it was all I could do to keep from screaming. My Lenin, I do think I know a little bit about what it is like to have a battlefield wound. How they handle it is beyond me. At the beginning, it took 12 rolls of that bandage gauze to fill the hole in my leg. My pain isn't nearly so bad now, but there is always some, background like, and at times it can be much worse. What is almost as bad though is the pain I now get in my right hip from the "old man" walk I have now that puts more pressure on the opposite hip.

Morphine is excellent medication for acute AND chronic pain when used properly... unfortunately, too many doctors do not take acute pain seriously and so do not treat it adequately, and over time, nerves pathways are trained to be more sensitive and chronic pain ensues... is very difficult to 'unlearn'. Also, is genetic predisposition in some individuals to chronic pain (ie. COMT gene etc...)... but you know this, I'm sure. I am also interested in function of glial networks in pain amplification issues... too much they don't know... they know something is going on but not what and have no way to measure...

I do not like warm feeling though... or any feeling from meds... I just want things to stop hurting and not get high. But to get 'extra' dose so you don't go into shock from pain is not extra dose... is just stupid doctor torturing you by not treating pain properly and is no wonder you have chronic pain issues or pain amplification syndrome now. Medical doctors can be idiots... word Iatrogenic comes to mind, and I cannot tell you the number of times I wished they could feel one iota of what I experience when they are being close-minded dinks... I am simply happy to have good doctors now - particularly current pain specialist who takes patients seriously. There is no honour in pain - not that a little bit is the end of the world, but long-term chronic pain that is unnecessary is no way to live one's life, and if there is a solution that is not being utilized by a doctor for their patient, then they are not a doctor but a torturer who has failed in their hypocratic oath...

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I have to admit I did like that rush, but it was also the only time I was really pain free, and that was only for a few minutes. I swear, when he debrided it was beyond agony. One of the docs, the main guy, wasn't as friendly pain med wise as he could have been, but then, he did save my life, so I guess I can let that go! LOL! There is some "good" in pain though, it makes you that much more able to try and help others who are in a similar situation. Other than that though, it does suck! LOL

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It IS a double edged sword, to use an over-used analogy... it's necessary - it's a good message, as in, "Hey, Idiot!... don't do that!... It's not good for you!"... And it's part of life in the sense that we tend to try to simply erase or mask it when there are actually times when I think it's not a bad thing and something we need to have the skills to cope with. And for years I did - I just 'over-coped' when there were times I should have complained and made a ruckus. Part of it was that I had undiagnosed rheumatoid arthritis and some other autoimmune problems, but when you're little, you think every kid feels what you do, so I for some reason didn't think I was supposed to complain cause I literally thought everyone else was in hell when they ran or did other things... and then by the time I realized it might not be 'normal', there were other things going on in my life that made me feel that I didn't have a right to complain. And as you do know, when you have acute untreated pain, it teaches your CNS to feel chronic pain that is out of relation to what you 'should' be feeling, so I kind of screwed myself up. But part of the problem is that in learning to cope with it, I got hyper-rational about it so that when I did things like break bones, I'd first calmly walk around for a while thinking I'd just sprained it, or if it was obvious that it was broken, I'd go to the hospital and calmly say, "I broke this... it really hurts... "... but doctors are used to people freaking out, so not being hysterical about it didn't do me any favours. I just don't cope well with hysteria, mine or other peoples'... it doesn't help me stay in control and it makes the pain worse, so now I'm better at calmly explaining that if they want me to freak out, I can, but that I think it will be less pleasant for everyone and often that seems to work... Plus, some genius (and I mean that seriously) finally diagnosed me with reflex sympathetic dystrophy (they're calling it complex regional pain disorder this week) so my local emerg has it on file and they treat it appropriately so I don't go into shock. And there's a new doctor there, apparently, who I haven't had the need to meet yet (thank gew) who is willing to try ketamine resetting... I'd prefer not to ever have to try THAT one, but it's almost reassuring to know that there's someone around who is willing to try it should it be necessary. But so far, using full release morphine seems to knock it down and break the cycle so, so far so good. And when that hasn't worked, I go and they give me a Demoral (and sometimes Versed cocktail) IV and knock me out for an hour or so and then see if it's worked when I wake up, and again, so far so good...

The last time I had an ongoing problem was when I had the surgery on my hands three years ago - leading up to it because the nerves were so messed up and I'd wake up in the middle of the night and just bang my head against the wall until something I'd taken kicked in - as in enough statex... and despite ridiculous amounts of it, it just wasn't doing it alot of the time and I kept ending up in emerg until they did the surgeries... and then again, my right hand only for some reason, while it was healing, gave me problems a few times, but once it was healed, it was okay... I don't think I've had a bad bout of it since then unless I've done something stupid like let my hands or forearms get too cold or exposed them to the wind or water that was too cold (for some reason, cold sets it off)... and when I ended up in emerg last fall a few times with reactions to the Lyrica and Remeron when I was trying them (they screwed up my inner ear so bad that I couldn't eat for a couple weeks both times and got really dehydrated, and then got flu so with my Crohn's, I had to go on in for IV's... and some nurse didn't look at my file and saw that my joints were really swollen and thought she'd 'do me a favour' while I was sleeping and iced them... ooops.... not good)... and it's not like they use Demerol very much any more for pain treatment - mostly for knocking you on your ass for short procedures - because of the way people metabolize it... but I guess with my Crohn's it's the best option for some weird reason... I'm certain it's why I don't tolerate all those weird multi-use things... SSRI's and tricyclics literally put me to sleep for days at a time to the point where I just can't wake up, which is a bit scary... ever try to answer a remote control before?...

What I can't stand is when they dismiss it as just a symptom of whatever is going on, because it does impede healing and it does become chronic if not treated properly, and there are a number of things that I have to deal with now that if the doctor at the time had taken the pain issue seriously, I wouldn't have to deal with now... which makes me want to hunt them down like dogs (pardon) and make them feel just one little bit of what I have to feel when I wake up in the middle of the night and Javier is half-way around the bed at a full-tilt run because I'm wailing in my sleep and I'm not even conscious yet. I can't imagine what that's like for him... Or he says in the morning, "what's that on your knee?" and it's my fingerprints bruised into my leg where I dug my fingers into my leg in my sleep... or just not being able to walk - that's a biggie... and not an adjustment I'm happy about making as somebody who used to play Ultimate and spend almost an hour on the treadmill every day, never mind working on set doing heavy lifting jobs... it's a pisser and it makes me angry because maybe if one of those sadistic f**ks had listened to me or paid attention when I told them what I was experiencing, I might not be where I am now... so, more than anything, I have to try not to be angry a lot, and that's not always easy, but neither is it productive...

BTW - what is it around here with the politburo and debriding... I think a number of you have had to lose skin and tissue for various reasons... couldn't you just get road rash from a bike accident like the rest of us?... heheheheh... you can pick the gravel out of that yourself, and it gives you something to do to take your mind off the burning feeling... heheheheh... Mind you, last summer when I finally went toxic from the chemo I was on for my arthritis and I ended up with a bunch of open stuff that wouldn't heal, I don't know that I would have wanted to patch that up myself... it was sort of freaky... I'm used to seeing plasma on open stuff and it just wasn't happening, but at least they didn't have to take anything away... and of course, now all the scars hurt, but I think it's cause it went just deep enough to hit a bit of the muscle so it got some nerves in the process... supposedly, it'll settle down as time goes on, so I just keep putting Vitamin E oil and arnica and comfrey on it... Burt's Bees stuff... and it seems to help... makes it feel better anyway...

In any case... I gotta get to sleep... Got a big day tomorrow, what with the funeral and New Years and feeding people... it's going to be a really really long day... so time for cocoa and sleep...

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Red Square wrote:The writing on the placards is too tiny and in the wrong font. Can you use some plain condenced san serif? It'll allow you to use larger letters in the same space.

The image of God is too heavy and outbalances the crowd. I'd make it faded out, barely visible.

In the end, I'd make everything more contrast and add poster edges, make it look more like a comic book cartoon. If you don't know how to do it properly, let me handle it.

OK, here's the final rendition. The first is the normal image without "cartoonization" so you can make it more cartoony. My try (2nd image) didn't turn out quite so hot. But here they both are - use your discretion.

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-Mikhail

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SOM, I am so sorry to hear about the pain that you are in. No, I am not anywhere close to the pain you are in at this time. Mine is more an annoyance now, where on a bad day I can't hardly walk, sort of like as if I had ran 5 miles (as if LOL!) and your legs are just sore, or the occassional "bone against bone" feel in my knee or hip. I have but minor pain compared to what you have. My really wretching pain was that which I had in the hospital and for the months afterward. I have friends with the sort of pain you have, lupus etc., and I know the sort of pain they have had all their lives. I am blessed in comparison.

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BTW, love the picture comrade AK-47. It looks good to me.

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Mikhail T. Kalashnikov - this is good. The idea of a news story to come with it is also good. Give me a couple of days (my hands are tied with something else right now).

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I must say I like the top picture better, I can not read all the signs on the "cartoonized" version.

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Yeah, me too. I like being able to read what they are saying.


 
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