Belated Happy Birthday AK-47



The world owes you a debt we can never repay. You have occupied the hands of terrorists worldwide. You have indiscriminately redistributed a wealth of ammunition for over 60 years. You may not be accurate or pretty but you take a licking and keep on ticking. Your mechanical tolerances are loose, your trigger sloppy and your safety selector noisy but even an unwashed peasant can figure you out. You may be heavy and cranky. You're certainly cheap. But you are definitely "killer"...Here's to you AK, keep knocking 'em dead.


General Kalashnikov could not control the ways the Soviets distributed his creation, and on top of that, without the AK-47, the Israelis never would have had the Galil rifle. And countless numbers of law abiding Americans would be forced to own a strange gas blowback operated rifle designed by Eugene Stoner and optimistically termed a "battle rifle".
Let us not denounce the tool, but rather the tool user!


You also failed to note that Israeli's abandoned the Galil in favor of the "black rifle" you so disdain (why do you hate blacks? are you racist?).
I might also add that the AK-47 is the last modern military firearm that has wood on it. Every time an AK is manufactured a tree dies.
Finally, how dare you trash the People[sup]TM[/sup] for using the tools they given? Shame on you comrade...shame.
May all your lacquered, steel cased, corrosive primed ammo rust in your red plastic magazines.
(Red Square, this could be the start of long thread, better get a bigger HD for the server)


Furthermore I denounce Comrade Whoopie for lacking "awareness" of the new AK series issued by Mother Russia which features black composite stocks. No more trees die. Modern oil based plastics are used instead.
I suggest Israel went to the "Black Rifle" from US thug like pressure!
I denounce anyone too stupid to wrap a bit of paracord, tape, string, or other similar material around the safety switch on an AK to silence it!
I denounce Comrade Whoopie for still believing corrosive ammo is widely manufactured. All of my Tula made Wolf ammo is non corrosive, and my magazines are tough Com Bloc steel (except for the polymer US made Pro-Mag I bought on a whim).
I denounce those who use magazines made of soda can aluminium!
(I second Whoopie's notion Red Square. Get a bigger HD for the server. The AK vs AR-15/M-16 debate has hit the Cube!)


Your mockery of the 5.56mm round tells me that you are no fan of the AK-74 and it's even dinkier 5.4mm ammunition. But we'll save ballistics for another day.
How exactly do you wrap anything around the safety lever on an AK since it lays flat against the cheesy stamped metal receiver? And how would that silence the loud "clack" that emanates from within that tin box?
I find it amusing that in order to move that lever you must take your hand off the gun, just as you must remove the magazine to fold or extent the wobbly steel stock. And let's not forget how that stock can leave a oily rust stain on your shoulder.
I won't even bother to dismiss the primitive rear sight since the gun is so inherently inaccurate putting sights on it amounts to cosmetic optimism.
Finally, so as not to seem an elitist snob I won't suggest that there is any difference in quality between the $400 AK and the $1200 marvel of engineering produced by Colt Industries.


Comrade Whoopie
Comrade 7.62, I notice you didn't address any of the points I made, but instead bring up the "red herring" of the gas system. Saul Alinsky would be proud of your devious, albeit dubious debating skills......Finally, how dare you trash the People[sup]TM[/sup] for using the tools they given? Shame on you comrade...shame.
May all your lacquered, steel cased, corrosive primed ammo rust in your red plastic magazines.
(Red Square, this could be the start of long thread, better get a bigger HD for the server)
Comrades! I denounce BOTH of you for being gun wielding, bible clinging fascists!!!! You must turn your illegal weapons into the Authorities ™ immediately.
And I too celebrate the birthday of the Glorious Weapon which slaughtered many hate-mongering Americans in Vietnam. But.....what does "Nappu biyatdatch" mean? Sigh....when will people learn the tongue of Mother Russia!


The Tsarevna
Comrades! I denounce BOTH of you for being gun wielding, bible clinging fascists!!!! You must turn your illegal weapons into the Authorities ™ immediately.I second that, seems these Comrades are "bitterly clinging to their guns and their religion".
I suspect they have been secretly attending tea-parties and jerking off to photos of Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and Fox News personalities.
We must investigate these claims immediately.


Secondly, although I can't speak for the Colonel, I myself am authorized by the ruling regime to carry loaded weapons in public. As we all know, anything that is permitted by the regime is mandatory, all else is forbidden.
And if the Colonel is listening, I do want to compliment the AK's flash hider. Oh wait, it doesn't have a flash hider. Well, that angled muzzle brake thingy looks useful... for digging foxholes.


Comrade Whoopie
Comrades please, in none of our posts did either me or the good Colonel mention anything about religion. However, the seriousness of these trumped up charges demands an investigation...of the people making the false claims.Secondly, although I can't speak for the Colonel, I myself am authorized by the ruling regime to carry loaded weapons in public. As we all know, anything that is permitted by the regime is mandatory, all else is forbidden.
And if the Colonel is listening, I do want to compliment the AK's flash hider. Oh wait, it doesn't have a flash hider. Well, that angled muzzle brake thingy looks useful... for digging foxholes.
So you don't deny the other charge Comrade? You know, the stuff that makes you go blind?


Infidel Castrate
So you don't deny the other charge Comrade? You know, the stuff that makes you go blind?Quit "stroking my ego" comrade, it doesn't do you justice. (innocent smirk)


I denounce Eugene Stoner for being dead, while Comrade General Kalashnikov is still alive and working four days a week at the Izmash factory.
I would remind the comrades here that many GI's have thrown their M-16's away in favor of the AK-47. I routinely shoot with such a man.
I too am licensed by the appropriate authorities to carry a loaded weapon in public, so the standard denounciations of being a gun owner of course do not apply. I denounce those who denounce people who are authorized to carry weapons.
The simple mechanical delight that is the AK-47 will continue to function under adverse conditions long after the highly machined, refined and overly tightly built AR-15 ceases to run. (That is to say Comrades, please don't get a grain of sand into the action of an AR, lest it jam. And please, who prefers a rifle that uses a flexible piece of tubing to run the operating system?)
I am saddened that Comrade Whoopie feels the need to shoot sub MOA, when minute of enemy of the state is sufficient and all that is needed in a combat weapon. If you want to shoot MOA or sub MOA get Comrade Dragonuv's noble rifle.




But in an emergency, provided you have a hammer and pin punch, you can always take out that stainless steel gas tube to sip your cocktail at the NCO club.
I understand why the AK must work even when covered in filth. You can't expect a smelly peasant to keep his rifle clean when he himself doesn't know the value of soap and water.
As for the "excessive" accuracy of the AR, I got things to do Colonel. I can't sit around all day waiting for the enemy to get within AK range before engaging them.


Also, I suggest that for the AK or the AR the effective range is within 300 yards tops, as is typical for a mid powered rifle. Given that, the much more powerful 7.62x39mm wins heads down. Unless again, one is only shooting at poodles.
I expect one to keep their rifle clean, but sadly combat does not happen in a sterile enviroment, even though Eugene Stoner must have thought that was the case.




I see that this thread has been bumped off onto page 2, so before it winds up on page 3 I think it's time to start a new thread on ballistics.
Perhaps you'd like to start it this time by hailing the glorious 7.62 x39 cartridge. Maybe Al Gore and his cadre of Climatologists can provide you with all the data you'll need to make your case.














And now I'm off to the bunker to complain to Red Square about the way the site has been behaving lately. It's getting tiresome just trying to leave a comment.





