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Joe Stack, People's Hero

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After reading through the various press outlets coverage of the attack on the federal building in Austin today along with the maifesto left by Mr. Stack I'm struck by the media's aversion to catergorizing this nut job. In his rantings it is obvious that he is a leftist terrorist yet no one is pointing this out in the stories or commentary that I've seen. In fact MSNBC has a headline titled something like "Pushed to the Breaking Point". Had this man been an overt conservative the gnashing of teeth and crackdown/smackdown in the press would have been epic. Yet only sympathetic whimpers, factual stories with no commentary and an effort to "understand" are all I have seen. While I'll admit there is some crossover in his beliefs that I hold, such as the notion that large corporations are not friends of the rebublic, I would never act violently on them but attempt to effect change through the political process. His manifesto is posted below for those of you who haven't seen it.
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Text of a message believed to have been posted online by the alleged pilot of a small plane that crashed Feb. 18 into an office complex in Austin, Texas:


        Mystery item No. 1969

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CURRENT TRUTH UPDATE!!!

Capehart, columnist for the Washington Post, declares Stack a Tea Bagger! Further he sends huge portions of Stack's manifesto down the memory hole in an attempt to make his point which flew in the face of reality. He should be promoted within Minitruth soon enough! Excellent work my good man. 2+2 does indeed equal 5.

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CURRENT TRUTH UPDATE!!!

Newsweek splash: Joeseph Stack and Right Wing Terror!

Headline screams that he's obviously an extreme right winger. Artikle then quotes many trackers of right wing psychos who confirm that right wing terrorisim is on the rise! Later in the article Newsweek sort of acknowledges that Stack may have really been an extreme leftist but because he railed against taxes it must override all of those sentiments including his endorsement of communism.

Progoff:
I really wish that I was making this stuff up. The media is getting beyond scary in their inability to acknowledge truth.
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Komrades, we should not be afraid to acknowledge the glorious handiwork of our brave progressive freedom fighters. Do not smear their good names by calling them "tea-baggers"- we all know teabaggers are too F'ing Retarded to come up with such brilliant, poignant diatribes. Bishop and Stack bravely risked their own safety to bring some Equality to the masses; their hatred of Bush, lack of free healthcare, absolute love of all things Barry, and their willingness to stop at nothing- not even violence- to usher in the World of Next Tuesday for America, makes them the Standardbearers of the Red (Democrat) Party! Don't run from it, OWN IT! O-BA-MA! O-BA-MA! O-BA-MA!

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this poor shlub can't even get his readers to agree with his knee-jerk assesment- FAIL! Also I always crack up at the descriptions these lefties give themselves and what they do; always precisly the opposite of the truth i.e. "Post-Partisan" title of an article that reeks of liberal partisanship.

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(Progoffagain)
My last comment was written before your second update- but it works for both; how scary is that? At least their readers aren't agreeing with them (for the most part)

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progoff
There are actually quite a few more columns echoing the absurd sentiment that got me to start this thread. Google "Joe Stack" and you'll find numerous examples. That said the blogoshphere is engaged and documenting the misinformation and dishonest nature of the coverage. If anything this will further confirm the decline of MSM and drive more people into the true reform camp that will clean house in November. It is really disapointing and disconcerting that major news outlets willfully behave in this manner.

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<PROG>

Who's really surprised at the comments of these 'leftist'? They rarely take responsibility for the actions or words. Blaming the "right" or "radical right" (whatever that is... believing in God, the Constitution, personal responsibility, capitalism and America??) is who they are.
The woman who murdered her 'comrades' at the University last week, WAS an avowed Obama supporter. Her friends said she was "nutty" for Obama... and yet the news doesn't call her a RADICAL LEFTIST. The truth for them, is literally, what they want it to be.

We can't expect anything less from the USSR press which has taken over our poor excuse for the news.

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Fraulein Pulloskies wrote:<PROG>

Who's really surprised at the comments of these 'leftist'? They rarely take responsibility for the actions or words. Blaming the "right" or "radical right" (whatever that is... believing in God, the Constitution, personal responsibility, capitalism and America??) is who they are.
The woman who murdered her 'comrades' at the University last week, WAS an avowed Obama supporter. Her friends said she was "nutty" for Obama... and yet the news doesn't call her a RADICAL LEFTIST. The truth for them, is literally, what they want it to be.

We can't expect anything less from the USSR press which has taken over our poor excuse for the news.

The Amy Bishop thing is just as disturbing. Given her history even more so. I was reading a few articles on her this morning and the effort to "understand her" and brand her insane, i.e. not responsible for her actions, are already in full swing.

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INGSOC wrote: The Amy Bishop thing is just as disturbing. Given her history even more so. I was reading a few articles on her this morning and the effort to "understand her" and brand her insane, i.e. not responsible for her actions, are already in full swing.

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Precisely. The left, the Liberals, the socialist and fascist will always deny and defend their own as they feverishly work to point their fingers at the right (which is called "the right" for a rightful reason).
Bishop has a disturbing history of rantings, violence (attacking a woman in a restaurant for a CHILD SEAT) and as an Obama swooner, yet none of the Janeane Gawdawfulo's, Chis 'the tinglier' Matthews, Rachel Madcow, Keith Olblubberman, Rosie O'bindonnel would never connect those dots. Insanity is always best denied.

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Like Theocritus always says, "The truth starts THIS MORNING"

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{prog off}

...He ends the letter with a denouncement of capitalism. And seems to favor socialized medicine.

And we are to believe he was a <i>not</i> a leftist terrorist because...?

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<prog>

I read the manifesto of this dude the minute it came out!

Oh, my dear, sweet INGSOC, this is gonna be happening forever! We just have to always be vigilant! We've been asleep for awhile. Now, we're awake! Who gives a crap about what the "media" is saying? Hmmm? Of course the media is going to try to do this! Who the hell cares what they say anymore! People, other than us, know this now...Conservatives, Independents, even Conservative Democrats. The key word (with all it's wonderful principles, is CONSERVATIVE. Most humans carry this view, if not all. It's natura!)

I would encourage you to watch, if you haven't already, the CPAC convention, held in DC this weekend. You will not believe the extraordinary people we have on our side! It was one wonderful, inspiring speech after another. I have been so absorbed with this for several days.

I did not realize we had so many wonderful patriots ACTIVE! It will blow your mind, as it did mine, and lift your heart! Really, it will!

They included a Forum of young people. Incredible!. Such smart kids, and fighters! These young people actually know what the hell they are doing!

Another most wonderful forum, re: Acorn, consisted of the very brave Anita MonCrief, she has a blog on hotair.com as well as her own, and appears on Breitbart occasionally, a whistle blower on Acorn (she used to work for them). When you hear what she has to say, in great detail, you realize she is actually taking her life in her own hands by exposing this. She is brave indeed.

A good thing is happening. Do take heart!!! This heart I speak of is well worth taking! It's all we have! And, it's powerful!

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They saved their headliners for today. Progressives should wrap their heads tightly.
<a href=" EST -- CPAC -- Live Stream</a>

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Pamalinsky wrote:<prog>

I read the manifesto of this dude the minute it came out!

Oh, my dear, sweet INGSOC, this is gonna be happening forever! We just have to always be vigilant! We've been asleep for awhile. Now, we're awake! Who gives a crap about what the "media" is saying? Hmmm? Of course the media is going to try to do this! Who the hell cares what they say anymore! People, other than us, know this now...Conservatives, Independents, even Conservative Democrats. The key word (with all it's wonderful principles, is CONSERVATIVE. Most humans carry this view, if not all. It's natura!)

I would encourage you to watch, if you haven't already, the CPAC convention, held in DC this weekend. You will not believe the extraordinary people we have on our side! It was one wonderful, inspiring speech after another. I have been so absorbed with this for several days.

I did not realize we had so many wonderful patriots ACTIVE! It will blow your mind, as it did mine, and lift your heart! Really, it will!

They included a Forum of young people. Incredible!. Such smart kids, and fighters! These young people actually know what the hell they are doing!

Another most wonderful forum, re: Acorn, consisted of the very brave Anita MonCrief, she has a blog on hotair.com as well as her own, and appears on Breitbart occasionally, a whistle blower on Acorn (she used to work for them). When you hear what she has to say, in great detail, you realize she is actually taking her life in her own hands by exposing this. She is brave indeed.

A good thing is happening. Do take heart!!! This heart I speak of is well worth taking! It's all we have! And, it's powerful!
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Pamalinski,

Honestly I've lost quite a bit of faith in Republicans and their establishment as well. They have squandered every oppurtunity to advance responsible real change and reform. The Bush White House was as fiscally irresponsible as any democrat was before them. The Republican party became concerned with window dressings, maintaining a status quo and not reforms across the board in order to head off the now impending disaster. Watching the attempts to reform social security and fannie and freddie mac on C-SPAN was depressing. Listening to democratic rhetoric and watching republican whimpers as nothing was accomplished ten to fifteen years ago really disenchanted me. Lots of promises and token efforts that went nowhere coupled with scandal in the leadership and the lack of desire to communicate the message. Republicans are a stopgap in the leftist slide that this country has been on for the last 80 years. A mainstream conservative/republican today resembles John F Kennedy more than most democrats do. The point from which the political pendulum swings never stopped moving to the left.

The Tea Parties were the most authentic grassroots uprising that I have witnessed as a 34 year old. The "convention" was a disaster in my opinion. It should never have been allowed to be co-opted by any party or any orginization. Local energy is what fueled it. Its diverse nature is what made it stong and an uncontrolable force for liberty.

I'm one of the 35% Rasmussen found that think it time for a new political party. I've began to look at the challenges we face as generational. The Democrats and Republicans have become 2 sides of the same coin in my mind. Neither have the courage or fortitude to be responsible grownups which isn't surprising given that baby boomers have been at the helm since the mid - early 90s. The world I grew up in was chaotic. My nuclear family stayed together but all around me selfish adult boomers showed themselves to be complete asses in my extended family and in the parents of my peer group. Divorce rates were through the roof and my generation in general seemed to be collateral damage in the older generations rush for self gratification and fulfillment. It led to the explosive music scene out of seattle that caught the older folks off guard in the early to mid-90s. That my generation embraced the grunge scene with such fervor is a startling indication of where we were in retrospect. If you haven't, go and read through the lyrics of many of those songs. They are frustrated, damaged, defiant, dark and lost. LIke the boomer generation before them who blurted moralistic peace and love anthems in the 60's our generation showed the damage that a niave, moralizing, selfish and simplistic generation was capable of. Given my perspective I can clearly see how the Boomer mentality manifested itself in Washington.

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The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government.

Memo:

Strike "GW Bush".
Insert "BH Obama".
Strike "eight".
Insert "one".
Strike "years"
Insert "year"

Open memory hole.

{swoosh.....ffffffpttt....POOF!}

There, that's better.

The recent presidential puppet BH Obama and his cronies in their one year certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government.

Much better.

You may now proceed with your two minutes of hate. As an added bonus you can have half an hour of raging at Goldstein GW Bush and half an hour of raging at Eurasia Tea Baggers

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Here Here!

It's real simple, let's do the math.

White = Teabagger
White = Rascist
Teabagger = Terrorist

It all adds up to be a White teabagger racist terrorist.

In lieu of that it was Bush's fault.

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Infidel Castrate wrote:Here Here!

It's real simple, let's do the math.

White = Teabagger
White = Rascist
Teabagger = Terrorist

It all adds up to be a White teabagger racist terrorist.

In lieu of that it was Bush's fault.

Who knew?

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INGSOC wrote:
Pamalinsky wrote:<prog>

I read the manifesto of this dude the minute it came out!

Oh, my dear, sweet INGSOC, this is gonna be happening forever! We just have to always be vigilant! We've been asleep for awhile. Now, we're awake! Who gives a crap about what the "media" is saying? Hmmm? Of course the media is going to try to do this! Who the hell cares what they say anymore! People, other than us, know this now...Conservatives, Independents, even Conservative Democrats. The key word (with all it's wonderful principles, is CONSERVATIVE. Most humans carry this view, if not all. It's natura!)

I would encourage you to watch, if you haven't already, the CPAC convention, held in DC this weekend. You will not believe the extraordinary people we have on our side! It was one wonderful, inspiring speech after another. I have been so absorbed with this for several days.

I did not realize we had so many wonderful patriots ACTIVE! It will blow your mind, as it did mine, and lift your heart! Really, it will!

They included a Forum of young people. Incredible!. Such smart kids, and fighters! These young people actually know what the hell they are doing!

Another most wonderful forum, re: Acorn, consisted of the very brave Anita MonCrief, she has a blog on hotair.com as well as her own, and appears on Breitbart occasionally, a whistle blower on Acorn (she used to work for them). When you hear what she has to say, in great detail, you realize she is actually taking her life in her own hands by exposing this. She is brave indeed.

A good thing is happening. Do take heart!!! This heart I speak of is well worth taking! It's all we have! And, it's powerful!
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Pamalinski,

Honestly I've lost quite a bit of faith in Republicans and their establishment as well. They have squandered every oppurtunity to advance responsible real change and reform. The Bush White House was as fiscally irresponsible as any democrat was before them. The Republican party became concerned with window dressings, maintaining a status quo and not reforms across the board in order to head off the now impending disaster. Watching the attempts to reform social security and fannie and freddie mac on C-SPAN was depressing. Listening to democratic rhetoric and watching republican whimpers as nothing was accomplished ten to fifteen years ago really disenchanted me. Lots of promises and token efforts that went nowhere coupled with scandal in the leadership and the lack of desire to communicate the message. Republicans are a stopgap in the leftist slide that this country has been on for the last 80 years. A mainstream conservative/republican today resembles John F Kennedy more than most democrats do. The point from which the political pendulum swings never stopped moving to the left.

The Tea Parties were the most authentic grassroots uprising that I have witnessed as a 34 year old. The "convention" was a disaster in my opinion. It should never have been allowed to be co-opted by any party or any orginization. Local energy is what fueled it. Its diverse nature is what made it stong and an uncontrolable force for liberty.

I'm one of the 35% Rasmussen found that think it time for a new political party. I've began to look at the challenges we face as generational. The Democrats and Republicans have become 2 sides of the same coin in my mind. Neither have the courage or fortitude to be responsible grownups which isn't surprising given that baby boomers have been at the helm since the mid - early 90s. The world I grew up in was chaotic. My nuclear family stayed together but all around me selfish adult boomers showed themselves to be complete asses in my extended family and in the parents of my peer group. Divorce rates were through the roof and my generation in general seemed to be collateral damage in the older generations rush for self gratification and fulfillment. It led to the explosive music scene out of seattle that caught the older folks off guard in the early to mid-90s. That my generation embraced the grunge scene with such fervor is a startling indication of where we were in retrospect. If you haven't, go and read through the lyrics of many of those songs. They are frustrated, damaged, defiant, dark and lost. LIke the boomer generation before them who blurted moralistic peace and love anthems in the 60's our generation showed the damage that a niave, moralizing, selfish and simplistic generation was capable of. Given my perspective I can clearly see how the Boomer mentality manifested itself in Washington.

Dearest INGSOC,
I understand what you say, losing respect for Republicans, as well, and have just this to say to you as your proverbial "Mother", I, Pamalinsky, old enough to be your mother, hate what is going on as well! I heard the dark, damaged, defiant, lost lyrics of the grunge movement. I have a brilliant nephew, only 26, who is dark and lost, as well. I am quite familiar with these things. As a musician and artist, I, too, saw the decline of our civilization in this regard. I hated it! I have so much more to say, as I was part of this downfall. But, that does not even begin to address the "sitch" here.

I, Pamalinsky, understand the impulse to go for another party.
Problem is, it will never work. Proven throughout history. An undeniable fact.
Please, I beg you, don't go there!

Example: People voted for the third party guy, Ross Perot! I, myself, voted for this sucker. All that did was get Clinton elected. Perot helped split the vote! This was Perot's aim. He hated Bush. Clinton did not even get the popular vote! I think he won by 44%. Let's go for party rehabs, so it represents us, the American people. Let us put their feet to the fire!!!! Stand fast against those Repugs who don't support the Constitution. Those would be CONSERVATIVES!

We, the American People, are doing that very thing! I am an unabashed Tea Party person! They already know not to affiliate themselves with a particular party! Haven't, and, will not!!!

The solution: Fix the republican party! No other way! It's being done as I write.

You inspire me, but you best listen to your Mother! Capiche, honey? My world is held in your hands. If I didn't respect you, I wouldn't even say this! People are not perfect, I know you see that. But, some serious accountability must be had! And will be! What I saw at CPAC showed me this. We have some truly great patriots on our side! I was not aware of this, until now. While we have to go through much pain (the light being shined on the creeps) we will prevail! The light exposing the creeps is a very good, albeit painful, thing! Stand fast!

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Image Whilst I do not agree with everything Mr. Stack had to say, he does make a superlative point about our ever growing complicated tax system, corporation and government partnerships damaging our republic, etc. Left-wing terrorist or right-wing terrorist, one thing is for sure, he was angry. I can relate to Mr. Stack on that. We all are angry with the current state of affairs. Our life, liberty, property, pursuit of happiness, and sovereignty is being pissed on by collectivists.

When I read Mr. Stack's "manifesto," it was clear he was confused, as all collectivists are confused. It was clear he supported collectivism and denounced individualism at the end of this "manifesto." If Mr. Stack was properly educated on individualism, laissez faire, and capitalism, then perhaps he would have not taken a extreme measure. Collectivists do not understand the said mention due to perversion of substance, logic, and reason by Marxist-Leninist agendas.

I concur with Dr. Baldwin's analysis on the Joe Stack incident, to wit:

I WISH JOE STACK HAD NOT KILLED HIMSELF
By Chuck Baldwin
February 19, 2010
NewsWithViews.com

All of us are now aware of the Texas man who yesterday flew his private plane into a 7-story Austin office building. Apparently, he intentionally crashed his plane into the building to target the IRS offices that were housed inside the facility.

As I am writing this column just hours after the event took place, there has not yet been a lot of time for the major news media talking heads to spin the story. By the time this column is released on Friday, however, I'm sure we will all have been inundated with copious references to this man, Joe Stack, as being "off his rocker," or similar assertions. Perhaps our friends at DHS will label Stack a "right-wing domestic terrorist." However, Mr. Stack apparently left behind a "suicide manifesto" explaining his actions. After carefully reading Stack's manifesto, I am quite convinced that he was not crazy, and he was not a "terrorist." However, he was angry.

A lot of us are angry--and for many of the same reasons that Mr. Stack was angry! While I would certainly take exception to some of the things Stack says in his manifesto, he said things that many of us are feeling.

Stack began his manifesto by saying, "If you're reading this, you're no doubt asking yourself, 'Why did this have to happen?' The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time."

He goes on to say, "Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble [principles] represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was 'no taxation without representation' . . . These days anyone who really stands up for that [principle] is promptly labeled a 'crackpot,' traitor and worse."

For the most part, he's right about that, of course. It has been a long time since the average hardworking American has been represented in Washington, D.C. By and large, the politicians in DC represent only Big Money interests. Just try talking with your congressman or senator and see how much personal interest he or she takes in anything you have to say. As for emails, letters, and faxes, unless they number in the tens of thousands, they are mostly used as kindling for the fireplace.

Obviously, Mr. Stack had long felt the frustration of being ignored by these pimps in Washington that we know as congressmen. He wrote, "While very few working people would say they haven't had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say."

I suppose that just about every American could say the same thing.

Then, regarding our current tax system, Stack wrote, "Here we have a [tax] system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly 'holds accountable' its victims, claiming that they're responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law 'requires' a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that's not 'duress' [then] what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is."

He also wrote, "However, this is where I learned that there are two 'interpretations' for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us."

However, I think a better way of putting his statement would have been, "There are two interpretations for every law; one for the GOVERNMENT, and one for the rest of us." And only the most naïve among us would not understand that statement.

According to Stack's manifesto, he earned an engineering degree with the goal of becoming an "independent engineer." He said this about working his way through college: "I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time."

I know that feeling! My wife and I married between my sophomore and junior years of college, and for months we had a grand total of $15 a week to spend on groceries. And believe me: that did not go very far--not even in 1974. How many politicians on Capitol Hill do you think could even remotely relate to Mr. Stack?

Stack later said, "I decided that I didn't trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself."

Wow! What a revolutionary idea: taking responsibility for yourself! Now I know that practically no one on Capitol Hill can relate to Mr. Stack!

After quoting a portion of the tax law relating to Section 1706 (Treatment of Certain Technical Personnel), Stack wrote, "The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave."

His manifesto clearly reveals bitterness and resentment toward the IRS, the tax system, the banker and Big Business government bailouts, and the emergence of police-state attitudes and actions in the aftermath of 9/11. He expressed disdain for "the monsters of organized religion." He talked about his move from California to Texas. He referred to a divorce and the way his savings and retirement had been wiped out after a career of working "100-hour workweeks."

Stack also noted, "The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government." I can say "Amen" to that.

Stack's conclusion: "I have had all I can stand."

In what was obviously a reference to what he was about to do, he wrote, "Nothing changes unless there is a body count."

Then, later he said, "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at 'big brother' while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won't continue; I have just had enough."

Stack wrapped up his manifesto by saying, "Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well."

See Joe Stack's manifesto here.

My heart goes out to Joe Stack! The sentiments expressed above are shared by millions of Americans who are also fed up with Big Brother. We are fed up with our country being turned into a burgeoning police state, under the rubric of "national security." We are fed up with the harassments of the IRS. We know the "war on drugs" is merely the government's way of cutting out the competition (this is exactly what more than one retired federal law enforcement agent--employed in the drug war--told me). We know the "war on terror" is nothing but an excuse to trample our constitutional liberties. We are fed up with the voracious vampires known as the Federal Reserve sucking the lifeblood out of the veins of America's hardworking Middle Class. We are tired of the CFR, CIA, and America's State Department manufacturing perpetual wars that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives for the benefit of the global elite. We are fed up with an arrogant and oppressive federal government that is strangling the life and freedom out of our states. We all share Joe Stack's pain!

I really wish Joe Stack had not killed himself, however. We need each other. By taking his life, he reduced our strength. The global elites delight in our demise. As we grow weaker, they grow stronger.

But the fight is not over; the battle is not lost! Rumblings of freedom's revival can be felt across the length and breadth of this nation. The clanging of liberty's resolve can be heard in hamlets and villages from Montana to South Carolina. There are still millions of us--from virtually every walk of life--who will not surrender our liberties without a fight! And we have not yet begun to fight!

So, to the rest of us Joe Stacks out there: let's not fly our planes into buildings. Let's not end our lives prematurely. Instead, get mad; get organized; get educated; start equipping your heart, mind, and body for the battle ahead. Let's fight; let's study; let's prepare; let's make every would-be tyrant on Capitol Hill and Wall Street know that we are not going to sit back and let them steal our country. Let's send a message, in no uncertain terms, that if they want our pound of flesh, they are going to have to come and get it--and if they do, it's going to cost them a whole lot more than a pound of theirs!

Oh, Joe! I wish you had not killed yourself.


 
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