The People's Cube - Political Satire

I denounce comrade (Marshmallow World in the) Winter Souljah for

1) lack of irony
2) dissing our Fearless Leader Red Sqvare
3) Thinking minimum wage is 2 dollars an hour in the US
4) Reading Marx, and not understanding him!!!

Report tomorrow morning 8am sharp (gmt-5 hours) for your shovel. Dress warmly.

Царевна wrote:I denounce comrade (Marshmallow World in the) Winter Souljah for

1) lack of irony
2) dissing our Fearless Leader Red Sqvare
3) Thinking minimum wage is 2 dollars an hour in the US
4) Reading Marx, and not understanding him!!!

Report tomorrow morning 8am sharp (gmt-5 hours) for your shovel. Dress warmly.

1. Things need to be explained as they are.
2. Never mentioned him in that clip.
3. Nope people today can get way more if state hands out the means of the trade back to the people instead of robbing em and enforcing insane reforms
4. I beg to differ "For a communism to prosper it should start in a rich country" Lenin was the guy who believed it could be done in Russia that was pisspoor at the time

Communism/socialism aint about dogmatic values such as the ones you mentioned or handouts to big businesses but about class struggle , meaning no poverty , i believe that a private sector could be good to have in a socialist society but the most basic needs of the people should be owned by the state.

Also relocating US industry to China is plain wrong , a socialist system would care for industrializing and moving forward ..

Once again, he tries to hide his disloyalty to the Kommunist USSA in a thinly veiled decadent post full of politikally korrekt sounding pablum.

Still, you propogate lies! The glorious minimum wage in the USSA is $7.25 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_w ... ted_States ). Except, of course, in districts managed by companies in Nancy Pelosi's district, who need to exploit the workers of American Samoa for the good of Del Monte foods and The Children ™ : https://www.freedom1590.com/column.aspx ... 3014e5c39a


And how dare you say socialism or communism do not lead to poverty? Of course they do, and thus people will always be dependent on us to support their miserable little lives!

If a community is communist, the government is in control of wages and management of any industry or service provided the community members. Right? OK, so if I work for the government, doesn't my money come from the taxpayers? And the more the government controls, does that not mean, the more taxes are required to pay for us? In the best of worlds, we'll undercut all those greedy capitalists who own businesses. They will close up. Closed businesses means fewer jobs in the private sector (and more jobs in the government sector! Yay!) but it also means less money we can steal from the rich. In other words, fewer taxes.

With a lot of unemployment in a city, say, Detroit, the closest urban area to myself, the greater the temptation is for a person to rely on entitlements to pay for housing, food, healthcare, etc. Each generation of people totally relying on entitlements produces a generation that grows up not knowing an adult in their family or even neighborhood who gets up and goes to work during the day. A few generations later and we have kids that can't imagine the need to support themselves, and even believe that the government (eg, the taxpayers who, you may remember, are now losing more and more money to a top heavy government) has a DUTY to provide for them. Lucky for us Demokkrats, they quake when they think someone might be coming in to cut taxes that pay for their handouts. So they always vote for us! Yay!

Not to say that there aren't some private institutions...in fact, many...that help people in a more efficient way than we do, helping them climb out of poverty and out of our reach! If only we could stop them! But these nefarious agencies often don't accept any help from the government, so we can't control them ...now, at least, until we figure out some law they are breaking so we can shut them down. Here is the worst offender in our area:

https://www.gracecentersofhope.org/

And even "government industries" (an oxymoron, since government only takes money from people, it cannot create wealth) in a communist state will be plagued with people who know they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want on the job and not get fired. What incentive is there to work harder than anyone else, if you get the same wage as they do? What incentive is there to find out what the consumer wants and figure out how to do our best for them? A nice little pin that says "Hero of Socialist Labor?" No, thanks, I'll just keep taking my power naps at my desk and snapping at the customers, if you please.

Make no mistake, comrade. "Class struggle" doesn't mean helping one class and reigning in the other. It means judging industrious and talented people as greedy and mean, while making sure everyone else doesn't complain very much that the economy has stalled and they can't find bread on the shelves. All of this means more power to US, the Demokrats!!!!! Capitalism is not about class struggle, true; it is about class elimination.

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I am dismayed by the lack of participation of the Party in this thread. Comrade, am I the only one who has not put you on "ignore"?

"ignore"? Царевна, what is this talk of ignore? We do no such thing. It's just hard to be everywhere at the same time. Only Dear Leader Obama can do that. He is omnipotent.

Now let us see...hmmm...:
My, my Comrade Зимний Солдат, we have been very busy...oh dear, I hope you got permission from Comrade Judge Fraulein to use her lovely self in the video:

Царевна wrote:Once again, he tries to hide his disloyalty to the Kommunist USSA in a thinly veiled decadent post full of politikally korrekt sounding pablum.

Still, you propogate lies! The glorious minimum wage in the USSA is $7.25 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_w ... ted_States ). Except, of course, in districts managed by companies in Nancy Pelosi's district, who need to exploit the workers of American Samoa for the good of Del Monte foods and The Children ™ : https://www.freedom1590.com/column.aspx ... 3014e5c39a

Yes its the outdated imperial capitalist system your talking bout here give every citizen a granted basic income handout of say 2200$ a month at the cost of shutting down all propaganda channels and handouts to big businesses .

Царевна wrote:
And how dare you say socialism or communism do not lead to poverty? Of course they do, and thus people will always be dependent on us to support their miserable little lives!

Again with that bullshit , after world war 2 USSR had to rebuild , USA did fine with all infrastruicture remaining intact.
However what happend under soviet rule was revisionism that led to most primal form of capitalism.
However USA did introduce some reforms that were kinda Hybrid-socialist back in the 50's.
Your saying that state control over the efficiency of production both for public and private sector like it is a bad thing .
I beg to differ , China has not the Supply & demand policy , it has deliver no matter how small amount policy , remember when your favourite products in the supermarket dissapear and you hear about "oh its supply and demand"

ЗимнийСолдат wrote:

Царевна wrote:Once again, he tries to hide his disloyalty to the Kommunist USSA in a thinly veiled decadent post full of politikally korrekt sounding pablum.

Still, you propogate lies! The glorious minimum wage in the USSA is $7.25 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_w ... ted_States ). Except, of course, in districts managed by companies in Nancy Pelosi's district, who need to exploit the workers of American Samoa for the good of Del Monte foods and The Children ™ : https://www.freedom1590.com/column.aspx ... 3014e5c39a

Yes its the outdated imperial capitalist system your talking bout here give every citizen a granted basic income handout of say 2200$ a month at the cost of shutting down all propaganda channels and handouts to big businesses .

Царевна wrote:
And how dare you say socialism or communism do not lead to poverty? Of course they do, and thus people will always be dependent on us to support their miserable little lives!

Again with that bullshit , after world war 2 USSR had to rebuild , USA did fine with all infrastruicture remaining intact.
However what happend under soviet rule was revisionism that led to most primal form of capitalism.
However USA did introduce some reforms that were kinda Hybrid-socialist back in the 50's.
Your saying that state control over the efficiency of production both for public and private sector like it is a bad thing .
I beg to differ , China has not the Supply & demand policy , it has deliver no matter how small amount policy , remember when your favourite products in the supermarket dissapear and you hear about "oh its supply and demand"

How quaint....do items actually disappear from supermarkets in Bulgaria? Must be some kind of magician in back of the aisles?

I hear people say that when the revolution comes, they are afraid that we will have to line up for food in the USSA just like they did in the USSR but I'm sure that's not true; why wouldn't it be just like it's always been here....easy to find what you want, you have only to decide on the quality and price.

PROG OFF
I actually agree with you about handing everyone $2200 at the beginning of the month or even 20,000 at the beginning of the year...it would be much less expensive than what we are paying for entitlements now.

Every time you give a "fact" about the US....minimum wage of 2 dollars, things disappearing from store shelves, "socialist" reforms during the most conservative decade of the 1900s...you really have us rolling in the aisles, laughing our behinds off. Have you ever been here, or do you just get your information from the Peoples' Weekly World?

I hear some brilliance here.

Soviet Russia didn't work because they started with a poor country. This makes perfect sense. Much like Lottery winners who always maintain and increase their riches after winning. I am unsure of the statistical evidence for this "fact" but I'm sure it must be true because it seems as though it would be true.

And then there is the "New Communism" argument. Again I am unsure what is new about this New Communism but I am sure it is significant.

Well, there you have it, I'm on board. I'm a sucker for sound thinking and evidentiary proof.

Царевна wrote:
How quaint....do items actually disappear from supermarkets in Bulgaria? Must be some kind of magician in back of the aisles?

I hear people say that when the revolution comes, they are afraid that we will have to line up for food in the USSA just like they did in the USSR but I'm sure that's not true; why wouldn't it be just like it's always been here....easy to find what you want, you have only to decide on the quality and price.

You seem to forget that the supermarket shortages were introduced during Kruschev / Jivkov , the Stalin / Georgi Dimitrov era didn't have that stuff , my relatives keep telling me about that the Georgi Dimitrov era was the best that happend in Peoples Republic Of Bulgaria , dont forget that the nomenklatura system still exists in Russia but only the Leading dictators Putin/Medvedev use it , this time the stores sure may have everything like Stalin era but most of the people are living in misery in a third world standard , this never existed in late Stalin era.

Царевна wrote:
PROG OFF
I actually agree with you about handing everyone $2200 at the beginning of the month or even 20,000 at the beginning of the year...it would be much less expensive than what we are paying for entitlements now.

Every time you give a "fact" about the US....minimum wage of 2 dollars, things disappearing from store shelves, "socialist" reforms during the most conservative decade of the 1900s...you really have us rolling in the aisles, laughing our behinds off. Have you ever been here, or do you just get your information from the Peoples' Weekly World?

Yea , i went to see a few pals back in the day , but it was before the tent city stuff started to happen.
You keep talking about socialism as if it is something bad , look at Sweden , Canada , Norway they introduced some beurocratic style of socialism or their own implementation of it , for Sweden it did wonders people didnt have to stay around in that same 3rd world style management that still tortures most of the Russian folks.

And btw the bread lines started with Gorbachov's rule , that bastard introduced even water shortages he was ruthless...

ThePeoplesComrade wrote:I hear some brilliance here.

Soviet Russia didn't work because they started with a poor country. This makes perfect sense. Much like Lottery winners who always maintain and increase there riches after winning. I am unsure of the statistical evidence for this "fact" but I'm sure it must be true because it seems as though it would be true.

And then there is the "New Communism" argument. Again I am unsure what is new about this New Communism but I am sure it is significant.

Well, there you have it, I'm on board. I'm a sucker for sound thinking and evidentiary proof.

A number of reasons it failed :

1 . True it started off with a starving country
2. While many tsar reforms were thrown away they never got rid of the complicated Exit Visa beurocratic system so travel between socialist country was hard and by that only harmed socialism a great deal.
3. Whats new and will make USA work well as a free and democratic Peoples United States Of America would be that building socialism over the constitution can grant people many freedoms , in innovations , science , technology , specializations , private sector etc etc but private stores would have to think twice before they overboost food-prizes cuz the state supermarkets will have food at a more humane pricing.
At Marx age there were no home-electronics or small private stores led by middle class , it was rich and poor "us against them" mentality theres no reason to be dogmatic logic suggest that socialism should not only keep peoples freedoms but add more to them like monthly State-Handouts to everybody instead of the big businesses like it is now.

Say no more Comrade, I'm with ya.

ЗимнийСолдат wrote: You seem to forget that the supermarket shortages were introduced during Kruschev / Jivkov , the Stalin / Georgi Dimitrov era didn't have that stuff , my relatives keep telling me about that the Georgi Dimitrov era was the best that happend in Peoples Republic Of Bulgaria , dont forget that the nomenklatura system still exists in Russia but only the Leading dictators Putin/Medvedev use it , this time the stores sure may have everything like Stalin era but most of the people are living in misery in a third world standard , this never existed in late Stalin era.

Oh. My. God. There were no breadlines in the Ukraine during Stalin's time because there was no bread! I hear they lined up for 6-week-old Infant on the Barbie, though....


[qote="ЗимнийСолдат"] Yea , i went to see a few pals back in the day , but it was before the tent city stuff started to happen. [/quote]

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Tent cities? Where?? I love camping!!! I hope they have s'mores. ...Do you know any Communist campfire songs, comrade?

ЗимнийСолдат wrote:You keep talking about socialism as if it is something bad , look at Sweden , Canada , Norway they introduced some beurocratic style of socialism or their own implementation of it , for Sweden it did wonders people didnt have to stay around in that same 3rd world style management that still tortures most of the Russian folks.

It's not bad....until you run out of other people's money. Sweden is doing well by the way because it is gradually becoming less and less socialist. And I live about 30 miles from Canada. Used to be a nice place. Everyone there comes here to go to the hospital if they need it.

[qote="ЗимнийСолдат"]And btw the bread lines started with Gorbachov's rule , that bastard introduced even water shortages he was ruthless...[/quote]

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Many of my friends emmigrated from the Soviet Union in the 60s and 70s. They tell a very different story about bread lines.

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Remember, supply and demand isn't a choice. Even the Chinese can't overcome the laws that stem from human nature. Look at it this way. Say you go out to a nightclub or out to a discotheque to dance . There is one beautiful woman there and about 60 guys, of which you are one. Everyone is paying the beautiful woman a lot of attention, understandably, since these happen to be straight guys and each of them would very much like the company of this woman, away from the others. Doesn't matter if it's in Beijing or Prague or Milwaukee or Moscow, if the surrounding government is socialist or capitalist; if you want to make that woman pay attention to you, you are going to have to probably do more than buy her a drink. Why? Because men are in HIGH SUPPLY for her. She can pretty much take her pick, because since the supply is high, the demand is low. She doesn't have to do much to get what she wants.

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Now, say it's the same club you walk into, but now there are four or five men, and there are 60 beautiful women. I mean, really hot. You probably would not want to "pay" as much in terms of your time and advertising for your masculine attributes on one of them, because they are looking for guys and guys are now in SHORT SUPPLY. Each woman, on the other hand, might be willing to part with a little bit more of their attention and perhaps even insinuate the possibility of favors after the dance in order to wrest one of the guys from the other women. YOU are now in high demand.

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When my friends lived in Russia and Ukraine, bread (if they could find it) was cheap but good blue jeans (only on sale on the black market) were very expensive, and could only be bought with US dollars, which of course were hard to come by. Bread was in high supply/low demand; US jeans were in low supply/high demand. People were willing to, and did, pay a lot more....up to and including risking being caught and whatever penalty (or bribe) they'd have to pay.

Царевна wrote: Oh. My. God. There were no breadlines in the Ukraine during Stalin's time because there was no bread! I hear they lined up for 6-week-old Infant on the Barbie, though....

You are misinformed in Georgi Dimitrov era in peoples republic of Bulgaria there were moutains of fresh cheap all natural bread and no lines , or you dare tp call my folks who were around back then and the retired folks of whole block building here liars just to believe some FOX news dictated story that you have been falsely indoctrinated ? .

Царевна wrote: It's not bad....until you run out of other people's money. Sweden is doing well by the way because it is gradually becoming less and less socialist. And I live about 30 miles from Canada. Used to be a nice place. Everyone there comes here to go to the hospital if they need it.

I beg to differ , with too much socialism gone the history of 3rd world country style capitalism would repeat itself ..

Царевна wrote:

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Many of my friends emmigrated from the Soviet Union in the 60s and 70s. They tell a very different story about bread lines.

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The sworn enemies of communism used that trick along with others , they tried to get my own father to speak shit about socialism , he had nothing bad to say about general life and refused to preach their lives cause he found them outrageous , but one of their demands was about that if he told people other stuff than their anticommunist lies he'd be sent back .
It was wize for him to refuse acceptance of their provocation methods , and as for ukrainians they are in general the biggest anticommunist pigs i ever withnessed. They would trash communism even though their mafia led country now is in worse shape than ever.

Царевна wrote:
Remember, supply and demand isn't a choice. Even the Chinese can't overcome the laws that stem from human nature. Look at it this way. Say you go out to a nightclub or out to a discotheque to dance . There is one beautiful woman there and about 60 guys, of which you are one. Everyone is paying the beautiful woman a lot of attention, understandably, since these happen to be straight guys and each of them would very much like the company of this woman, away from the others. Doesn't matter if it's in Beijing or Prague or Milwaukee or Moscow, if the surrounding government is socialist or capitalist; if you want to make that woman pay attention to you, you are going to have to probably do more than buy her a drink. Why? Because men are in HIGH SUPPLY for her. She can pretty much take her pick, because since the supply is high, the demand is low. She doesn't have to do much to get what she wants.

Progoff: Now you even make sex a consumable ok i can do that , in that case there would be a strict coupon system for creating babies/mating , abortions would be illegal but that wont matter since unwanted kids are gonna be rased by the state to join the elite revolutionary defence and thus every resource is used for a purpose with maximum efficiency the supply is provided in the most logical manners.
Truth is that you need to have the right socializing priorities and values to have more people out there and i think china is doing pretty good cause i can get stuff from there that there is no demand for and cheap too :)
Thats why plan and socialist plan-market outsmarts capitalist trade methods and wont hurt industries either.

Царевна wrote:

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Now, say it's the same club you walk into, but now there are four or five men, and there are 60 beautiful women. I mean, really hot. You probably would not want to "pay" as much in terms of your time and advertising for your masculine attributes on one of them, because they are looking for guys and guys are now in SHORT SUPPLY. Each woman, on the other hand, might be willing to part with a little bit more of their attention and perhaps even insinuate the possibility of favors after the dance in order to wrest one of the guys from the other women. YOU are now in high demand.

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But then i would want to have the one from the low demand category and the capitalists would have executed her and thrown away her body into the trash in order to create that "high demand" :D I would complain about not getting THAT specific girl :)

Царевна wrote:
When my friends lived in Russia and Ukraine, bread (if they could find it) was cheap but good blue jeans (only on sale on the black market) were very expensive, and could only be bought with US dollars, which of course were hard to come by. Bread was in high supply/low demand; US jeans were in low supply/high demand. People were willing to, and did, pay a lot more....up to and including risking being caught and whatever penalty (or bribe) they'd have to pay.

Well too bad for them , we just needed to go to turkey get em cheap as hell and have em avaiable on the bitak , them Ukrainians were not having a Bitak zone either but each socialist country differed a little depending on location (not too much however) ...
Ukraine was known for a little better education system back then..

You are misinformed in Georgi Dimitrov era in peoples republic of Bulgaria there were moutains of fresh cheap all natural bread and no lines , or you dare tp call my folks who were around back then and the retired folks of whole block building here liars just to believe some FOX news dictated story that you have been falsely indoctrinated ? .
...and Solzhenitsyn and Kruschev (Sergeievich and Nikitavich) and Sakharov and Gorbachev and Robeson (who was silent when his friends were being murdered but later broke down in guilt about his silence) and Elia Kazan and Ronald Reagan and Ronald Radosh and Anatoli Scharanski and Oleg Atbashian (do you know who he is?) and Valery Gergiev and Rudolf Nureyev and Alexander Gribanov and Harvey Klehr and John Hayens and Friedrich Firsov and Emma Goldman and Mikhail Baryshnikov and Whitaker Chambers and Mark Kramer and Jonathan Murphy and Nicolas Werth and Jean-Louis Panne and Andrzei Paczkowski and Karel Bartosek and Jean Louis Margolin and Arthur Koesler and Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek and .... I beg to differ , with too much socialism gone the history of 3rd world country style capitalism would repeat itself ..

why? and you still haven't told me what you do when you run out of other peoples' money.



The sworn enemies of communism used that trick along with others , they tried to get my own father to speak shit about socialism , he had nothing bad to say about general life and refused to preach their lives cause he found them outrageous , but one of their demands was about that if he told people other stuff than their anticommunist lies he'd be sent back .
It was wize for him to refuse acceptance of their provocation methods , and as for ukrainians they are in general the biggest anticommunist pigs i ever withnessed. They would trash communism even though their mafia led country now is in worse shape than ever. I'll tell my friends you said that!
Progoff: Now you even make sex a consumable ok i can do that , in that case there would be a strict coupon system for creating babies/mating , abortions would be illegal but that wont matter since unwanted kids are gonna be rased by the state to join the elite revolutionary defence and thus every resource is used for a purpose with maximum efficiency the supply is provided in the most logical manners.
Now, that's the kind of world I as a woman want to live in!
Truth is that you need to have the right socializing priorities and values to have more people out there and i think china is doing pretty good cause i can get stuff from there that there is no demand for and cheap too Thats why plan and socialist plan-market outsmarts capitalist trade methods and wont hurt industries either. OK, but how do you get the right socializing priorites and values into human beings? Let me know when you find out; as a psychotherapist I'd appreciate a way to change people into automatons who don't care anything about their rewards for doing anything. By the way....if you want something, that means there is a demand for it. Destroying product in order to artificially lower supply and increase demand isn't capitalism. It's stupidity. Capitalism is a fair exchange of goods....you want something, I provide you with it, you give me something that I value in return for it. Both parties must benefit in order for true capitalism to exist. If you destroy product, you are killing the goose that lays the golden egg. You can profit by providing something that is in low demand, but you can also profit by being a trustworthy supplier of something that is in high demand and that you can guarantee will be of high quality and always available.

Царевна wrote:You are misinformed in Georgi Dimitrov era in peoples republic of Bulgaria there were moutains of fresh cheap all natural bread and no lines , or you dare tp call my folks who were around back then and the retired folks of whole block building here liars just to believe some FOX news dictated story that you have been falsely indoctrinated ? .
...and Solzhenitsyn and Kruschev (Sergeievich and Nikitavich) and Sakharov and Gorbachev and Robeson (who was silent when his friends were being murdered but later broke down in guilt about his silence) and Elia Kazan and Ronald Reagan and Ronald Radosh and Anatoli Scharanski and Oleg Atbashian (do you know who he is?) and Valery Gergiev and Rudolf Nureyev and Alexander Gribanov and Harvey Klehr and John Hayens and Friedrich Firsov and Emma Goldman and Mikhail Baryshnikov and Whitaker Chambers and Mark Kramer and Jonathan Murphy and Nicolas Werth and Jean-Louis Panne and Andrzei Paczkowski and Karel Bartosek and Jean Louis Margolin and Arthur Koesler and Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek and ....

Its the fault of people like Oleg Atabashian that socialism and the soviet democracy didnt work out , allright he was a party member sitting at some ministry making motivational posters but he could reach out to the party and help by stopping the mysterious murders of Yuri Andropov and Chernenko , instead he like most of the other people used the corrupt system to profit a bit by resourcefully using his connections to profit more , people were doing it everywhere thats why you say money runs out , in reality socialism IS LIBERTY and i mean that liberty thats on the silver/gold US Eagles but not just for the politberau and Brezhnevs stagnation but for everybody , Gaddafi has done it every Libyan gets $2200 unconditional handouts they are treated as co-owners of the means of production (oil) that is why theinfiltrators ehmm his own people moved in from egypt and tunesia to stop that and call him dictator :D despite the man offering liberty to his folks , democracy aint about elections or ballots but about civil rights and thats why he has the peoples support.



I beg to differ , with too much socialism gone the history of 3rd world country style capitalism would repeat itself ..

Царевна wrote: why? and you still haven't told me what you do when you run out of other peoples' money.

As i remember that did happen after world war 2 then the state used resources and plan to build up while US infrastructure was intact the Soviet one was in serious need of reconstruction , US-state newspapers were like you "The soviets will never rebuild not in 100 of years" but the plan-economy was efficient for its time .
Today China uses means of trade + central plan supply system methods even small quantities are covered to keep some subculture kids happy i spose :D
You seem to forget that just because you are born in a system that is like its now it didn't use to be like that at all before , most european kingdoms were restricted to hard aquired exit visa systems , travel was limited working people were starving etc..
After the successes of the Stalin/Dimitrov era Soviet union they had to loosen up alot and bring more socialist system stuff like a mix between plan and market economy and so they created the International community with logical trade agreements and stuff .

Царевна wrote: OK, but how do you get the right socializing priorites and values into human beings? Let me know when you find out; as a psychotherapist I'd appreciate a way to change people into automatons who don't care anything about their rewards for doing anything. By the way....if you want something, that means there is a demand for it. Destroying product in order to artificially lower supply and increase demand isn't capitalism. It's stupidity. Capitalism is a fair exchange of goods....you want something, I provide you with it, you give me something that I value in return for it. Both parties must benefit in order for true capitalism to exist. If you destroy product, you are killing the goose that lays the golden egg. You can profit by providing something that is in low demand, but you can also profit by being a trustworthy supplier of something that is in high demand and that you can guarantee will be of high quality and always available.

How does any state do it? USA does it through education and teaches people stories like "the best of George Washington"carefully removing all references to the heroine dealing East India Trading Company and the other imperialist companies that were trading drugs, slaves etc ...
Socialism on the other hand brought up not only to honor the founders but even heroes among the people that fought for liberty into common culture which was a good thing cause people were nice to eachother and liked to help out , it was a friendlier community even during the Revisionist after-stalin times that were waaay less evil than the now ongoing Yeltsin/Putin style dictatorships.



About Олег Атабашиан and his book : Theres no doubt that its about ideological diversions but he could have prevented that by doing more research about his past by finding banned books, stamps,posters : I for example found out that Greek Communist Party was responsible for destroying the revolution by having Nichola Zahariadis an English agent as leader of the party the man who sent all vollunteers back to Bulgaria/Russia and not only that he even misled the partisan army so that they would later be captured and divided to capitalist camps in 1944.
The greek communist party started that revisionist line and it continues even today , the reason they protest today is NOT to bring down the government but their party leaders made some corrupt deals with the Oligarchy so that the protest feeds capitalism by making stuff more expensive thats why a TRUE COMMUNIST would never follow KKE and their revisionists.

Now i believe that the wrecker Олег Атабашиан knows some of the stuff im saying but if he wants to make criticism from a true point he should call it Shakedown Revisionism cause the socialism got betrayed by Kruschev yet he fails to tell people about other socialist countries that didn't break that easy like DPRK , China , Vietnam , Prinedstrovie , Belarus or even Libya.

But do not underestimate that man he is clever What shakedown socialism is about is just borrowed from Lenin : "Revisionism creates opportunism which brings back capitalism in its most savage form"
So he uses the words of Lenin against Lenin , Good job Атабашиан you подлец...

Zimmnee, you are certifiable. Tsarevna out.

Царевна wrote:Zimmnee, you are certifiable. Tsarevna out.

Thank you for the support.

Ack.

First time I've seen this thread (or thread poster).

Just ack.

* raises eyebrow, shakes head sadly, and walks away *

ЗимнийСолдат wrote: Yea , i went to see a few pals back in the day , but it was before the tent city stuff started to happen.

Tent cities? Wait...are you talking about the "Occupy" tent cities?
You do realize that every one of those people "living" in those "tent cities" actually has a house to go home to when they get too cold, or dirty, or need to recharge their ipod. Right?

You keep talking about socialism as if it is something bad

You figured it out! You win the internets!

look at Sweden , Canada

Yes indeed, look at them.
Canada for example. I have NEVER ONCE heard a Canadian with anything good to say about their socialized health-care system. In the case of one woman, she had to wait SEVEN YEARS to be seen at a Canadian hospital for cancer.
And as another of my comrades has already pointed out, they often cross over the border to come to American hospitals in order to avoid that nonsense.

And btw the bread lines started with Gorbachov's rule , that bastard introduced even water shortages he was ruthless...

and here is the real problem with socialism/communism. Give the government that much "responsibility" (aka "power") and they invariably abuse it. "Any government that can give you everything you need, has the power to take it all away"