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Mama Voted For Obama! New children's book

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Now, from the same people that gave us Why Mommy is a Democrat comes:

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Mama Voted For Obama Website


This book doesn't have the same well-crafted illustrations as Why Mommy is a Democrat but it does feature a cute little rat wearing a shirt with the numeral ZERO emblazoned on it. The New Tone on the Left calls for a simpler message with a simpler look for an ever simpler audience.

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Am glad to see early Indoctrination, I mean Education has begun.

I'm am wondering about rat on snow covered mountains (shown at the site)?

Why the pickax? Is he digging for gold? Will he share gold?

Maybe rat is staking claim on Alaska Mountains?

Programmers do this all the time is called "Easter Egg". Artists love putting in some small thing to make a statment. Often that statement is contrary to the Art itself.

Thank Lenin the mastodons and the "Johns" are extinct or soon will be.

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Poor rat has to sweep the street. Cleaning elephant dung!

Now there's a subtle message.

Question remains why a rat? Why not a chipmonk or something?

Maybe the O's version of Mickey Mouse...... the Orat? Orator?

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Why Mommie turned a trick at the voting booth instead of under a streelight wrote:Using plain and non-judgmental language, along with warm and whimsical illustrations, these colorful 28-page paperbacks depict the Democratic principles of fairness, tolerance, peace, equality, and concern for the well-being of others. The books can also serve as kid-friendly introductions to important social and political issues. They're a great way for parents to gently communicate their commitment to Democratic principles while helping children begin to make sense of the complex world around them.

Ah. Indoctrination. "Give me a child until he is five and I'll have a sneering, self-righteous socialist for the rest of his life."

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Figures, Mama also voted for Nader, and Stalin as a write-in.

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Hasan, those people that you say are just not fun. We in the party, marching in jackbooted goose-step into the Progressive World of Next Tuesday,are al about fun and lots of fun.

So go sit in your corner until you have a smiley face.

We need it to get to the Progressive World of Next Tuesday because people need to have bright and shiny things to follow because if we scare them, they might think.

Can't have that.

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Fearless and Kind leader, I shall make it a priority to acquire shiny things to distract the Proles. When I hand them out I shall grab their hands and make them proclaim Praise be to fearless Leaders, Praise be to the state.

I shall also grab their wallets...

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Nice dig at the Clintons...Blue Ox, Sly Fox, or a cat named Socks...
I guess they couldn't find anything to rhyme with a dead dog named Buddy.

This shit is subtle and frightening.

I can hear little kids asking "what's a mastadon?"
"Why, they're all extinct elephants Susie."
"Doesn't the elephant mean you're a Republican?"
"Yes"
"and extinct means all of them are dead?"
"Yes, and with a little Hope and Change, Republican's will be too!"
"Hooray!"

"Who's cat is Socks?"

You get the picture.....kids like to ask a lot of questions.

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Glorious.

Is Llama supposed to be Comrade Edwards? This book will be on mandatory reading list for Zero to Five Infant Educational Collective, yes?

Seeing this book has merely whetted my appetite. I can't wait for the children's book version of Comrade Ayers' upcoming book.

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I'm understanding misunderstood King Kong at top of Washington Monument.

Mommy didn't vote for God zilla (that's sweet).

Llama? Lama? Lame? Comrade Edwards?

Whoever did this is very good. Like a good party member should.

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The Rising Red Star wrote:I shall also grab their wallets...

Excellent. And the user IDs and passwords to their bank accounts. While you're at it, see if they get social-security checks. If they do, take them. That's a threefer--we get to take the money from the poorest demographic, the young drudges, and give it to the richest, and steal from them. I know it would be more efficient just to get it yourself but then where's the fun in that?

The Chosen One has already started <a href="https://www.jessicaswell.com/mt/archive ... attracting business organizations</a> to the progressive side.

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You know Margaret, if "Why Mammy Dun Voted fo' Obama" locks a tractor beam onto the Neo-Kulaks banner, the Cube might get rich again. I must have clicked on "Why Mama is a Democrat" fitty times.
I meant "Mommy"...wait..."Mama"...did I say "Mammy"?

Excuse me while I turn myself into myself.

Laika
Commissar of Jokecrimes.

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Margaret wrote: the Left calls for a simpler message with a simpler look for an ever simpler audience.

That, and no one seems able to dray anything decent these days. All the cartoons are either Anime crap, or some half assed attempt at a semi unique art style that is painful to look at.

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Commissar Theocritus wrote:Hasan, those people that you say are just not fun. We in the party, marching in jackbooted goose-step into the Progressive World of Next Tuesday,are al about fun and lots of fun.

So go sit in your corner until you have a smiley face.

We need it to get to the Progressive World of Next Tuesday because people need to have bright and shiny things to follow because if we scare them, they might think.

Can't have that.

Your right. I shall denounce myself. And write sentences on the chalkboard.

I will hope for change.
I will hope for change.
I will hope for change.
I will hope for change.
I will hope for change.
I will hope for change.

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Comrade infant will do the same.

I will not punish my mother with a me.
I will not punish my mother with a me.
I will not punish my mother with a me.
I will not punish my mother with a me.
I will not punish my mother with a me.
I will not punish my mother with a me.

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As Red says, if you can't abort them, indoctrinate them.

All strong socialism begins at birth. Womb-to-tomb socialism.


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I find myself paraphrasing Betty from a another Blog thread...

What the Fuck!

... Must... Kill... Self... (or Shel Silverstein... don't know what's worse, The Lion Who Shot Back or The Giving Tree...)

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Better do both just to be safe. That's what I do.

"When in doubt, kill everything."

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Comrades,

Comrade Willie Nelson voted for The One. Did he not also pen "Mamas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Bushies"?

Comrade Nelson was surely seeking some people's payback on his biodiesel, but I'm also betting he's looking to score some Bonghits for Barry, if not Bonghits with Barry.

The book seems to be missing some pages:

She didn't vote for Mark Hamill,
Or a Bactrian camel,
Or a pelagic mammal,
Mama voted for Obama!

She didn't vote for a goose,
Or a hunter of Alaskan moose,
Or a 'Nam vet on the loose,
Mama voted for Obama!

She didn't vote for principles,
Or testicles,
Or credibles,
Mama voted for Obama!

She didn't vote for a Nork,
Or a spork,
Or a dork,
Mama voted for Obama!

She didn't vote for a known,
Or testosterone,
Or a 3 a.m. dialtone,
Mama voted for Obama!

She didn't vote for a gong,
Or after a bong,
Or a Springsteen song,
Mama voted for Obama!

She didn't vote for MC Hammer,
Or for a guy in the slammer,
Or a pimply email spammer,
Mama voted for Obama!

She didn't vote for a job,
Or a state U. slob,
Or Baghdad Bob,
Mama voted for Obama!

She didn't vote for reality,
Or a proven entity,
Or tax slavery in perpetuity,
Mama voted for Obama!

She didn't vote for my gain,
Or my future financial pain,
Or even try to use her brain,
Mama voted for Obama!

She didn't vote only in Atlanta,
Or from Havana,
Or from Jonestown, Guyana,
Mama voted repeatedly for Obama!

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She didn't vote for a cracker
Or a weed whacker
Or a Gen-X slacker
Mama voted for Obama!


She didn't vote for a honkie
Or Francis Scott Key
Or a donkey
Mama voted for Obama!


She didn't vote for jobs
Or the "Office Space" Bobs
Or Theo's cat Hobbes
Mama voted for Obama!


She didn't vote for a blues guy named Muddy
Or a dead dog named Buddy
Or a Marine sargeant gunny
She voted for Obama!


She didn't vote for work
or a kilt and a dirk
She voted for a jerk
Mama voted for Obama!

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Oh yeah....almost forgot.

She didn't vote for a pickle
Or an alloy of nickle
It was for hammer & sickle
Mama voted for Obama!

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Laika the Space Dog wrote:Oh yeah....almost forgot.

She didn't vote for a pickle
Or an alloy of nickle
It was for hammer & sickle
Mama voted for Obama!
Comrade Hero,

So many years have you given service to The Party. And yet you still continue to give more than most humans could ever give.

I do hope that ACORN registered you several times and you afforded yourself of all the opportunities to vote.

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Oh hell, Laika's voted more times than Hillary has tits.

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She didn't vote for McKinney
Or My Cousin Vinnie
Let me give you the Skinny
Mama voted for Obama

Damn, no McKinney?

Then Mama is not down with the Real struggle
That's right! Tell yo' mama she is not down with the struggle...

Sheet...votin' for a damn Oreo
Next it'll be a plumber named Joe.

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Comrade Laika,

You have me howling in intraspecies respect!

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Comrades, I think we have a book in the making. Considering the inspiration source's artwork, handing crayons to the local wild monkeys will provide comparable artwork in no time and for little more than a few bananas and persimmons.

She did vote to become a EUnuch,
And outlawing the eco-enemy pickup truck,
And spurning Bible-clutchers down on their luck,
Mama voted for Obama!

She did vote for more public schools,
Staffed by brainwashed teaching fools,
For breaking others' but not her rules,
Mama voted for Obama!

She did vote for corrupt Chicagoland,
And exploding welfare demand,
And building castles made of sand,
Mama voted for Obama!

She did vote for a party cranker,
Whose every friend is a chancre,
Who is an articulate wanker,
Mama voted for Obama!

She did vote for national malaise,
And political radicals in coming days,
And banning guns in many ways,
Mama voted for Obama!

She voted hoping he wouldn't do,
That which he said he planned to,
The truth too horrible to be true,
Mama voted for Obama!

She did vote for Section 8,
And longer lines in which to wait,
And for the glorious welfare state,
Mama voted for Obama!

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Comrades,

During the reign of Carter I--praise be unto him!--my grandfather, a teetotaler, nevertheless bought a few cases of Billy Beer, knowing they would be worth money in the future. He was right and profited doubly: once, by not drinking the swill and twice by selling them on eBay years about two decades later.

In my college days, an older associate showed me his then-as-dated-as-a-leisure-suit Penthouse rolling papers. I had no idea there was such a thing as a "beaver hit," which was duly illustrated.

What can we look forward to as mementoes of Carter II? I'm rooting for Barry Obomber rolling papers.

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Laika, Tovarich:

I double dare--no, I triple dog dare you to put your verse in book form, and self-publish just like Jeremy Zilber has done.

And then, just like Jeremy Zilber and all self-published upstarts must do, you will sell copies of your opus out of the back end of your mother's Ford Pinto in the Barnes & Noble parking lot, until the manager gets a writ and a shotgun from the sheriff to run you off the premises.

I'll bet you sell more copies than Jeremy Zilber does, but come out with less buckshot in your pants. Jeremy, like most of his ilk, no doubt whines about glancing blows that are really boils.

I don't have any gauntlets I can throw down, so I'll throw down my shovel instead.


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We should seriously go back to the constitution when it comes to voting. Only landowners should be able to vote. Only people who actually have invested in this country's soil should be able to vote in elections.

Just my opinion.

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Commissarka Pinkie wrote:Laika, Tovarich:

I double dare--no, I triple dog dare you to put your verse in book form, and self-publish just like Jeremy Zilber has done.

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I don't have any gauntlets I can throw down, so I'll throw down my shovel instead.

Comradette Commissarka Pinkie,

Not having a canine brain, I do not know whether Comrade Laika will be offended (or aroused) by the afore-mentioned triple dog dare comment, but it is an expression appropriate to the playground that Comrade Obama has promised all citizens, legal, undocumented, and undead. The question, of course, is whose tongue will be stuck to the frozen pole.

I propose money-grubbing kulaks, excepting those who continue to back the Party, be frogmarched to their nearest pole in winter, assuming their state is above the Mason-Dixon Line, to have their tongues affixed. It is a more fitting--pardon the pun--punishment than bringing back stocks (ouch, another pun), which I am a bit keen on. Public humiliation rulez!

I am currently well-stocked in Capitalist Exploitation Units, but Mama Voted for O! could be a good ebook. Hmmm.

By throwing down your shovel, you have picked up the burden of expressing solidarity with the UAW and all unions. Glorious, Comradette!

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Pinkie...

I am just a mere wordsmith. We need artists with scissors and construction paper, but alas, I don't not believe The Party™ has approved any of the Cube artists the privledge, use, or need to play with scissors.
You could put your eye out making this book.
Or stab a commissar in the back.
Ask Red if the KG3 could play with scissors.

Oh...and watch where you throw down your shovel.
It landed on Theo's codpiece and he said it's fray gee lay.

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Laika the Space Dog wrote: Oh...and watch where you throw down your shovel.
It landed on Theo's codpiece and he said it's fray gee lay.

Dammit! And I do so love Italians.

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Comrade_Tovarich wrote:Comrade Laika,

You have me howling in intraspecies respect!

Comrade Tovarich-

I enthusiastically agree with you. Laika is a gem in the rough.

Dear Laika,

Might I prevail on you to broadcast your superb composition at Theocritis' Purge Inaugural Ball and BBQ? I will ask him, since as far as I know (like I know anything important around here.....sniffs..), he has not contracted the music for this wingding. Get back to me if you're interested. (Don't worry, you don't have to be there, if you so wish.)

your canine loving Chef,

Che' Gourmet
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What's this calumny about my codpiece? I'll have you know it's the finest codpiece ever, and it was made by Chanel and decorated by Tiffany. And you thought that it was Loom of the Fruit, didn't you? Confess. You all did.

I think that I'm going to have to go home and beat Bruno because my feelings are so hurt. And after I do it, and after I wait for an hour for him to feel the pain, I'll be back to plan the rest of the Inaugural Purge.

And as for the music, I had tried to contact the Village People but they're so past it they're trying to get a spot to be one of the victims on <i>Queer Eye</i>. Now <i>that's</i> sad.

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Line Cook!

he has not contracted the music for this wingding
Music?
This is a Tome For The Children™
We're looking for scissors and construction paper.
You have me confused with Comrade Jak.
I can read, write, play, and compose, but unfortunately, I cannot produce.
Obama understands.

Do you?

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Comrades,

Many years ago as a student of education a la (that's French, mind you) Bill Ayers, I read an account of a group of US teachers going to Japan to see how elementary education was done. At one point, the Japanese teacher handed out Xacto knives to her 2nd or 3rd graders who commenced carving intricate but traditional patterns in paper. An onlooking American was quoted to the extent of, "My God, I wouldn't even trust university students with such tools!"

Just the other day, a 12-year-old (I think was the report) Japanese student stabbed another in the back with a pair of scissors.

It is refreshing to see that Hope, Change, and the social justice curriculum preached to a veritable army of Japanese who attended grad schools in the US are transgressing boundaries and achieving the desired effects.

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Tovarich, yes, it is encouraging to see that progressivism is transferring to Japan.

Can we we expect to see Japanese students bitch slapping each other? What about covering every wall with street art, aka graffiti? I would hate to think of our Japanese comrades doing without the vulgar self-promotion and complete and utter self-obsession of the entitled American children.

Which we worked so hard for because they're damned easy to control that way.

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Just the other day, a 12-year-old (I think was the report) Japanese student stabbed another in the back with a pair of scissors.
Ahh...the progress of progressivism!
Next stop: Crack & Drive-By shootings!
Banzai!

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Comrades,

I recall the first time I saw graffiti in my rural area. I was outraged! However, I have since come to realize that it was expression of the oppressed. That it was simple black squiggles and not on par with the multicultural rainbow of colors and experiences that define Western graffiti, all that I do not hold against it. For I know it is coming: "progress."

There has been a recent wave of marijuana possession arrests of college students here. Three of four (nationally or within one uni, I cannot recall) were American exchange students. Bring on the benefits of diversity! Personally, I would like to see marijuana legalized. It is one thing in which the US could easily become self-sufficient and would likely grow very well in poor, jobless, gun- and Bible-clutching areas like West Virginia and Kentucky coal mining regions.

Local broadcast propaganda reports about 3% of Japanese college students admit trying marijuana. It apparently sells for about ¥6,000/g. (roughy $60/g.), which I assume means it defies the deflation that otherwise defines Japan.

In high school days, I recall being given surveys of drug use. I confess to grossly exaggerating my drug use to the point of injecting daily and during school. Accordingly, I've never believed US school kids' drug usage stats. But 3% in Japan? Maybe, and hopefully, true.

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Comrade_Tovarich wrote:Comrades,
There has been a recent wave of marijuana possession arrests of college students here. Three of four (nationally or within one uni, I cannot recall) were American exchange students. Bring on the benefits of diversity! Personally, I would like to see marijuana legalized. It is one thing in which the US could easily become self-sufficient and would likely grow very well in poor, jobless, gun- and Bible-clutching areas like West Virginia and Kentucky coal mining regions.


Comrade Tovarich,

Drug use has become so commonplace in college it is now not even 'edgy' any more. Progress! Students regularly (try to) write their research papers on 'why marijuana should be legalized', all citing MDMA.org, a glorious purveyor of Truth ™. So much so that when I banned the topic based on the fact that from a decade's worth of teaching, I've not heard a single original, much less worthwhile or convincing arguments, I had to see the Kommissar, ummm, Dean of Faculty. I was, I am ashamed to admit, apparently guilty of oppressing their Freedom of Speech.

Punishment: no beets for a month, and I had to watch every Cheech and Chong movie as part of my reeducation. Am not understanding how these 'munchies' are not an attempt to take more than one's alloted nacho ration. WHO EVEN HAS NACHO RATIONS?! All I have are beets, potatoes and tofu.
KR

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Comrades, above all drugs should not be legalized. Their benefits or lack thereof to the users are quite beside the point. The U.S. Government has a huge interdiction agency spending billions of taxpayer dollars, and many private prison corporations also benefit from locking up drug dealers and users.

And this is a guaranteed recession-proof device. The money is so huge that there will never be a shortage of mules and small-time drug dealers and runners from poor, sorry, developing countries. Lock up one, another takes his place, and the drug lords in Medillin and Cartagena are untouched for they never come near to it.

And these people actively desire the porosity of the US borders and do all that they can to encourage it.

So by no means legalize drugs. The fruitless attempt to stop them spends billions and billions of tax dollars. So progressive.

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Comrades,

One attraction of campus-wide drug use is that it has a wonderful grade enhancement effect in the non-empirical humanities: "Man, I'm too stoned to mark all these idiots' papers. I'll just give them all As."

I think they also help make possible glorious pranks like physicist Alan Sokal's study of the wackademic argot so he could publish his postmodern argument that gravity is a social construct. The whole affair is a good read, but the most glorious published article itself is Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity. Interestingly, Dr. Sokal identifies himself as a man of "the Old Left."

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Ah, it is true. Were drugs to be legalized, intrusive laws and police forces might have to be reduced, leaving more money in the hands of the proles. For as Comrade Cliton reportedly told us rightly oh so long ago, "I can spend your money better than you can." Governments might have to shrink and people be left to their own devices and choices. No more need to tax the citizenry to fund drug eradication programs overseas, either. It's nice for all that money to be transacted and stored mainly in dollars that can be printed to fit the bill (or snort a rail).

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While moving to Rancho de Rio Grande I found a book that I'd bought: <i>The Journal of Irreproducible Results</i>, which would have been hysterical had I the wit to read it.

I personally think that we should have a new WPA for AmeriKKKa, or I should now say the USSA since the Paulson bail-out, in which we hire everyone.

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Yo!

Everything should be illegal if it ain't controlled and regulated by the gang, ah, I mean the New State of Hope and Change.

Everything is illegal (unless you are in the position of power, like Kommissar, Gangster, or Rapper.)

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Comrades,

The People's Rapper is an excellent idea! Comrade CGM da prole!

As for reading, while long-winded, Why Things Bite Back is not bad.

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What about the Peoples' Tagger. Don't you think that the Lincoln Memorial looks naked without signs on it? "Hope Peace Change" and so forth.

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Comrade_Tovarich wrote:Comrades,

The People's Rapper is an excellent idea! Comrade CGM da prole!

Yo G, now this makes me as equal as all subsidized artists: "Not enough artistic talent to make up for the lack of business skill to get a Happy Meal on my own."

An' taggin' is fun exercise of my "free speech" as a thug for Obama.




Comrade “Pul” хулиганье
Tiglath-Pileser III
Over 2753 Years of Organizing Communities

And makin' thugs out you suckas.
From the cradle to the grave.

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Marxist, isn't Reverend Wright missing you? I'd have thought he'd require you to tag all government buildings with "God DAMN America!"

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I remember reading that book in skoool! Granite, this was 1995, so it was titled "Why Mommy voted for Clinton", but every Election Year, someone produces a book about why my mom votes Progressive. I just wish she would vote for my stomach for president of the food.

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I snooped around the site a little bit. While all the sample pages are hypocritical, the one I think takes the cake is the one which says "Democrats make sure everyone plays by the rules". I think we all know the response to that one.

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Comrade Elliott, of course Democrats always play by the rules. They just don't mention that the rules only apply to Republicans. If Democrats don't have rules then they cannot be charged with hypocrisy and therefore they can engage in that most delicious and lazy of attitudes: moral equivalence. If everything is just as good as anything else, then there is no reason to make a judgment, and everything is relegated to taste.

Which means that you may then make rules for Republicans to follow because you don't have to, having gone from moral equivalence to hedonism to nihilism.

To servility to slavery. But that's for another day.

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For another day, I agree, but for now, I agree once with you once again good sircomrade.

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[off]Comrade Elliott, you have chosen a contrarian life, and I congratulate you. 15 years ago Christopher Hitchens wrote a book <i>Letters to a Young Contrarian</i> which was addressed to a leftist audience--from a leftist. Now they are, to quote Meow, dancing in the end zone.

Think for yourself; reject others' analysis, including mine, own your own soul. It's hard and sometimes lonely but in the end you own yourself.


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Whoa!!! Don't move! Stop right there!

Calling the Internet Police! Calling the Internet Police! Thought crime at the People's Cube. Thought crime at the People's Cube.

You're in so much trouble.

Margaret
Commissar of Party Hats

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Commissar Theocritus wrote:[off]Comrade Elliott, you have chosen a contrarian life, and I congratulate you. 15 years ago Christopher Hitchens wrote a book <i>Letters to a Young Contrarian</i> which was addressed to a leftist audience--from a leftist. Now they are, to quote Meow, dancing in the end zone.

Think for yourself; reject others' analysis, including mine, own your own soul. It's hard and sometimes lonely but in the end you own yourself.
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I wouldn't have it any other way. I'd rather stand alone, knowing where I am, knowing and answering to myself than be confused and following a stupid and suicidal herd down a path of depravity.

I just wish I could say the same for all of mankind, but than again, not everyone's mind is free, like yours and mine.

Thank you good sircomrade, you have made my day better :).

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Dittos the above.

Margaret
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(off)Yes, better to think for yourself. And I will quote from of all people John Maynard Keynes, whose name is being conjured with now. He was sneered at because of a statement.

"When I find I have been wrong, I change my views. What do you do, sir?"

Most wise. Nothing more precarious or tiring than the high-wire act of defending a false view. And we all change our minds as we age and evidence appears in contradiction.

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Arrggg! Internet Police! Internet Police! Deviationism! Party deviationism! Get them.

On the ground, Theo. Don't move. Just keep the cell phone and the funny hat in your hands. The Internet Police might mistake them for weapons and shoot you on the spot.

Oh where oh where are the cops when you need them?

Margaret
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Margaret wrote:
This book doesn't have the same well-crafted illustrations as Why Mommy is a Democrat but it does feature a cute little rat wearing a shirt with the numeral ZERO emblazoned on it. The New Tone on the Left calls for a simpler message with a simpler look for an ever simpler audience.
I realize now that simpler look is to facilitate unity and harmony. The fewer details we see, the more alike we all are.

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Dr. Nyet wrote:I realize now that simpler look is to facilitate unity and harmony. The fewer details we see, the more alike we all are.

Yes! That's a brilliant observation, Doctor. It's sort of like they say about distance being a girl's best friend. Usually, the fewer details you can see the better the package looks. Distance gives the girl watcher an opportunity to use their imagination and make a plain Jane into a sexual goddess. Distance is a girl's best friend. The Democrats have got this all figured out and used a whole lot of distance so people wouldn't see any details of Obama. He's like a beautiful Pandora's Box. Obama's Box. But Obama's Box isn't beautiful and isn't a box at all in the normal sense of the word. Obama's Box is a twat, a common street whore that'll give you the clap.

The Democrats are so good at the distance thing they made a common street whore with the clap look like a sexual goddess.

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Margaret, dare I say that you have been imbibing? Well, perfectly understandable and we need all the anesthesia that we can get. By the way, the Brits say "twat" to rhyme with "hat." Some Brit poet whose name I forget was so innocent (Longfellow?) that he wrote "a nun's twat..."

Comrade Elliott, I'll say something and shut up, from my pseudo-lofty height of being nearly thrice your age. I think that you've got the right idea.

1. Look at the facts.
2. Listen to what people whose opinions in the past have been reliable say about them. They're useful mostly in giving you more facts. Their interpretations will say things about them.
3. Think about their interpretation of what you know.
4. Make your own decision.
5. Never, ever, be afraid to say you were wrong.

In this way you can avoid, for the most part, hubris and the deadly sin of false pride, and you will own yourself.

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There he is, officer. That's the man. He's a baaad man!

Margaret
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Commissar Theocritus wrote:(off)Yes, better to think for yourself. And I will quote from of all people John Maynard Keynes, whose name is being conjured with now. He was sneered at because of a statement.

"When I find I have been wrong, I change my views. What do you do, sir?"

Most wise. Nothing more precarious or tiring than the high-wire act of defending a false view. And we all change our minds as we age and evidence appears in contradiction.

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Arrggg! Internet Police! Internet Police! Deviationism! Party deviationism! Get them.

On the ground, Theo. Don't move. Just keep the cell phone and the funny hat in your hands. The Internet Police might mistake them for weapons and shoot you on the spot.

Oh where oh where are the cops when you need them?

Margaret
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There's a quote worth hearing, listening to again, and living. Just remember though, there are people who would defend a false view. I suppose they would because either they think it's right (ignorance), or they refuse to believe the correct view (arrogence).

It's easy to defend a view when there's evidence to support your view, even if it takes time. The hard ones to defend are those which you can not prove by showing, it's all based on some obscure piece of evidence people chose to believe.

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Comrade, people tend to invest a lot of themselves in their views, as a way of establishing that they exist. My wisest teacher, my high-school Latin teacher, said, "There's nothing wrong with saying, 'I have no opinion.'"

I've found that you can prove a point to someone who will merely get angrier and angrier--I've found that anger is the result of perceived helplessness. I saw the Penn and Teller show in Las Vegas a few months ago and the book that came with it had essays by Penn on Teller and the other way round. Penn said that Teller was the hardest person on earth to argue with. If you said something which was cogent, convincing, he said, "You're right," and shut up. When I say that, or, "I take your point," people don't stop arguing. Pride and position, I think.

Both taking over the humility needed to face facts.

A lot of people here on the Cube are fans of the works of Ayn Rand, and I am no exception. If you're interested, you might start with <i>The Fountainhead</i>. It's liberating and you won't think the same way again.

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Commissar Theocritus wrote:Comrade, people tend to invest a lot of themselves in their views, as a way of establishing that they exist. My wisest teacher, my high-school Latin teacher, said, "There's nothing wrong with saying, 'I have no opinion.'"

I've found that you can prove a point to someone who will merely get angrier and angrier--I've found that anger is the result of perceived helplessness. I saw the Penn and Teller show in Las Vegas a few months ago and the book that came with it had essays by Penn on Teller and the other way round. Penn said that Teller was the hardest person on earth to argue with. If you said something which was cogent, convincing, he said, "You're right," and shut up. When I say that, or, "I take your point," people don't stop arguing. Pride and position, I think.

Both taking over the humility needed to face facts.

A lot of people here on the Cube are fans of the works of Ayn Rand, and I am no exception. If you're interested, you might start with <i>The Fountainhead</i>. It's liberating and you won't think the same way again.
One of the wisest people I know is my high-school Humanities teacher (art, music, philosophy and general aspects of human creations.). When we got to existentalism (belief that you are the forger of your own life), one of the hardest points he, and some of the points the authors of some literature we studied said your opinion is all that matters. Everyone else's is their own, their's shouldn't matter to you and your's shouldn't matter to them.

I wish some of those people wouldn't have slept in that class, in fact, I wish they would have been as pasionate as I was (I absolutly loved that man, and I loved his class) because government class would have been easier, for though there was little debate, the hard-core liberals (maybe) wouldn't have been so out spoken. For the record, I gave up debating a long time ago, and it's not because I can't win, I just don't see the point of them. So though the liberals spoke, so my position I stood firmly in.

Besides, I find I learn more from my allies than my adversaries.

In terms of debates though, the angrier you make a person, the more you are winning, as you have said. I suppose it is pride and power, which you have said, which keeps people debating. When you lose a race, you got outskilled, and you can impove yourslef. When you lose in a debate, you lose you beliefs, your very foundation, something not easy to change, in fact, it's something you have to abandon and rebuild from the ground up.

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Comrade Elliott, I'm impressed that your high school even knew the meaning of existentialism. I had to resort to Wikipedia to find it out and am still unsure. It, like hubris, is one of those words which I'll have to roll around on my tongue for decades to learn the true meaning of.

When you state that you wish some of the liberals hadn't slept in class you took something different out of the class than they did. They used the class as an excuse for their mental laziness. I've maintained for years that liberalism is emotional immaturity and the words "make your own life" will be seen by them as license, not as a challenge. Which you have seen.

I learned this from my puppy love who, although well credentialed, good schools, Rice, Georgetown, Chicago, simply never was able to understand anything bigger than himself. His treatment of me shocked me until I realized that it was his treatment of the entire world. An immature personality, I suspect.

As soon as he found a reason which made him comfortable <i>he stopped thinking</i>. I cannot say that strongly enough. When he was satisfied, he stopped thinking. Implicit in this is the statement that he never grew. When you stop thinking, you stagnate. He did.

Owning your own soul is a hard and difficult process. You have to have the humility to realize that you can be, and will be, wrong. Lord knows I have been; I'm working through things now and I am sure that my views in six months will be different from my views now. But notice in this is the willingness to admit that I can screw up, and that I, being human, will screw up.

If you want to be a true commissar, you should stop thinking now and consider only your own comfort and self-aggrandizement. And you can move to Santa Fe and be one of those pushy self-righteous people who are always so comfortably pissed off. Which is by the way the refuge of the drama queen.

But if you on the other hand are not a true commissar but a closeted person seeking control of your own soul, keep at it. But by all means stay in that closet. Nothing makes people more uncomfortable than someone insisting on ethics when they're all wallowing about in their tastes. Until you get to be my age, situated as well as I happen to be, when you will be able to look them in the eye and say just exactly what you think.

It's better than sex. I promise you.

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It's better than sex. I promise you.
And Ice Cream!
But not Premier Betty's Hot Pockets!
Wait....that didn't sound right.

Try again...
Better than the Hot Pockets Premier Betty enjoys so much!
There!
I didn't sound like Bruno.

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Laika, Noble Space Dog wrote:I didn't sound like Bruno.
Laika, I have heard your mellifluous space-dog bark and I assure you that you do not sound like Bruno. I don't know what it is about Brune--even with a rumbling basso profundo he can still squeal.

Betty will be out of commission. <a href="https://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopi ... 862">Betty is getting heavily medicated.</a>

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I feel I should apologize (explanation) to you sircomrade, you gave a lot of good quotes, so I had to take a lot more time getting your statements butchered up into the pieces to quote and explain. Either way, here it is.

Commissar Theocritus wrote:Comrade Elliott, I'm impressed that your high school even knew the meaning of existentialism. I had to resort to Wikipedia to find it out and am still unsure. It, like hubris, is one of those words which I'll have to roll around on my tongue for decades to learn the true meaning of.
Hahaha. . . you have to understand though, this man is conservative, both politically and teaching methods. The school could be as bad as an inner city school and this man, I'll call Mr. S, would still teach the same way he always has. He knows himslelf, his place, and he's very proud of it.
Ah Wikipedia, you serve the public well, perhaps too well.
When you state that you wish some of the liberals hadn't slept in class you took something different out of the class than they did. They used the class as an excuse for their mental laziness. I've maintained for years that liberalism is emotional immaturity and the words "make your own life" will be seen by them as license, not as a challenge. Which you have seen
I've feel blessed for being one who not only took the class, but one who actually listened and took something out of it. Maybe I won't ever need to know the picture, Miro's "Nocturne", for a quiz question, but it doesn't hurt anything that's for sure. I agree though, metal immaturity is a characteristic of liberal thinkers. This immaturity is their true folly. Due to the immaturity, coupled with their apathy, they fall for the trap of those who lead them, and all they ultimately do, is nothing.
As soon as he found a reason which made him comfortable <i>he stopped thinking</i>. I cannot say that strongly enough. When he was satisfied, he stopped thinking. Implicit in this is the statement that he never grew. When you stop thinking, you stagnate. He did.
People stop thinking when they know everything, or don't want to think anymore, and no one knows everything.
Owning your own soul is a hard and difficult process. You have to have the humility to realize that you can be, and will be, wrong. Lord knows I have been; I'm working through things now and I am sure that my views in six months will be different from my views now. But notice in this is the willingness to admit that I can screw up, and that I, being human, will screw up.
Believe me when I say this, I hate to make mistakes, because I take them too hard to heart. However, notice how I said, "make mistakes" in the last sentence. As I've said to myself and others before, "You make mistakes, but you can always correct them." As we've discussed before, those who think they are perfect will in the end sucum to their own folly.

If you want to be a true commissar, you should stop thinking now andconsider only your own comfort and self-aggrandizement. And you canmove to Santa Fe and be one of those pushy self-righteous people whoare always so comfortably pissed off. Which is by the way the refuge ofthe drama queen.
Though I take comfort in personal pleasures and enjoyments like the next guy, however, I know full well life's tasks and objectives can not be avoided, eventually, you have to face the music. I'll be sure to avoid Santa Fe than, I get sick of angry liberals pushing their angry liberal agenda upon the angry conservatives who are angry because of the angry liberals pushing their angry liberal agenda. . . by the way, one notion of a typical drama queen is a big ego which must be fueled by others, so as you've so elegantly put it in another post, Bill Clinton would be the King of Queens.

But if you on the other hand are not a true commissar but a closetedperson seeking control of your own soul, keep at it. But by all meansstay in that closet. Nothing makes people more uncomfortable thansomeone insisting on ethics when they're all wallowing about in theirtastes. Until you get to be my age, situated as well as I happen to be,when you will be able to look them in the eye and say just exactly whatyou think.

It's better than sex. I promise you.

Over the past year of taking Humanities class with a man who knows exactly who he is, and seeing what followers are like, I've realized it's better to be yourself, to know yourself, to understand everything about yourself completely, to be your own man, where you answer only to yourself than be wondering in darkness unaware of who you are. I'd take great pleasure in being able to look anyone in the eyes and tell them what I want to tell them because I know what I am.

Sex is carnal, knowing your soul is divine (I hope this isn't a false teaching, I don't mean anything sacreligious.)

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Sex is indeed carnal and I've enjoyed it a lot. But it is just rut. No matter how much you have it's never enough and the itch doesn't go away. But if you are intent on the pursuit of knowing yourself, you will have a lifetime's pleasure. Note, again, the humility in it. This is because you're not judging yourself against other people but judging yourself against a standard which exists outside you.

I am glad that you had that teacher; and I'll bet he was very glad to have had you as a pupil.

Think of the current crop of people: ones who are entitled, ones who are led to believe that their progressive opinions somehow enwreathe them in nobility just because they have adapted fashionable opinions.

Compare them to people who think for themselves.

People who are willing to adopt fashionable attitudes never want the bother of thinking about them. And so they are by definition living under someone else's terms. If you think about everything that you do, you will be a very busy man because everything is grist for your mill.

But you'll have the joy of the fearless exploration of the world, able to look at it head on, and you will also lose your fear.

And you will never become one of those horrible Santa Fe liberals who refuses to listen to anything which might actually contradict their comfortable platitudes.

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Commissar Theocritus wrote:But if you are intent on the pursuit of knowing yourself, you will havea lifetime's pleasure. Note, again, the humility in it. This is becauseyou're not judging yourself against other people but judging yourselfagainst a standard which exists outside you.
My pastor once has a message titled "Humble yourself and you will be exalted". I can safely say from experience how true it is. I think I must add to your last sentence though, " Knowing yourself is also comparing yourself to your own standards, so it's a comparison to the outside, and yourself(inside).

I am glad that you had that teacher; and I'll bet he was very glad to have had you as a pupil.
He's made it clear, as have I to him.

People who are willing to adopt fashionable attitudes never want thebother of thinking about them. And so they are by definition livingunder someone else's terms. If you think about everything that you do,you will be a very busy man because everything is grist for your mill.

But you'll have the joy of the fearless exploration of the world, able to look at it head on, and you will also lose your fear.

Andyou will never become one of those horrible Santa Fe liberals whorefuses to listen to anything which might actually contradict theircomfortable platitudes.

There's a reason I found it so appalling to see people having to answer to others. We have free will, it's sad to see people reject it for the opinions and will of others.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again, democrats really are the party of tolerance, except to the opposing view. For the record, I do know the democrats power is fed by bigotry and division of people.

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There are two sorts of Democrats, I think: those who want power: some are true leftists with nothing but their will to politicize everything. But the Democratic party has become the party of the wealthy who have enough money for what they want. They can either say they're Democrats and therefore kind and caring, using the Democratic party as their personal shopper for their conspicuous compassion, or they can buy the influence. Which happens all the time with the wealthy. Hell, it happens in small things too. When I travel I tip very well and who gets the good service, the big pour? I do.

And then there are the people who think that they'll be taken care of. They're placing their faith in some secular safety net.

This was all inevitable when governmental social programs were introduced. I can see virtue in forcing people to save for their retirement for some people just won't. But we ought to have done it like Chile. But as soon as the government started even using the word "entitlement" it meant that people felt they had a right to OPM. And now if you assert a right to what's yours, you're berated as selfish and intolerant.

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Commissar Theocritus wrote:There are two sorts of Democrats, I think: those who want power: some are true leftists with nothing but their will to politicize everything. But the Democratic party has become the party of the wealthy who have enough money for what they want. They can either say they're Democrats and therefore kind and caring, using the Democratic party as their personal shopper for their conspicuous compassion, or they can buy the influence. Which happens all the time with the wealthy. Hell, it happens in small things too. When I travel I tip very well and who gets the good service, the big pour? I do.

And then there are the people who think that they'll be taken care of. They're placing their faith in some secular safety net.

This was all inevitable when governmental social programs were introduced. I can see virtue in forcing people to save for their retirement for some people just won't. But we ought to have done it like Chile. But as soon as the government started even using the word "entitlement" it meant that people felt they had a right to OPM. And now if you assert a right to what's yours, you're berated as selfish and intolerant.
How does Chile do retirement?

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They asked Milton Friedman to consult and it's privately done. There have been aims to do this in America but they have been resisted because if people have control over their money they are less malleable. (Fun bit: malleus is Latin for hammer.)

It was, to my understanding, an unintended crotchet in law which enabled 401K plans which caused a lot of the prosperity and movement away from statism. I am willing to be corrected by more knowledgeable party members.

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Than again, thoughts of how people can/should handle their money lays, in my opinion at least, the biggest give-away of ones political side.

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Yes, it is quite a signifier. And I am a libertarian. But I have also see enough people who are utterly profligate. I'm much closer to the libertarian than to the totalitarian or the socialist, but over the years I have noticed that no matter what happens, some people simply will not provide and that means that in their old age we'll either have to ignore their suffering or do it then, when they haven't put put money into it.

I learned this years ago when I was having fun with the service industry in Midland. The waiters and barkeeps were fun but utterly incapable of making a plan longer than two days. Now they were in their early 20s and might have matured but I'm not sure because I met some of their parents, who were just the same way. It's gone way too far, entirely too far, but a little bit might not be bad.

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Commissar Theocritus wrote:Yes, it is quite a signifier. And I am a libertarian. But I have also see enough people who are utterly profligate. I'm much closer to the libertarian than to the totalitarian or the socialist, but over the years I have noticed that no matter what happens, some people simply will not provide and that means that in their old age we'll either have to ignore their suffering or do it then, when they haven't put put money into it.

I learned this years ago when I was having fun with the service industry in Midland. The waiters and barkeeps were fun but utterly incapable of making a plan longer than two days. Now they were in their early 20s and might have matured but I'm not sure because I met some of their parents, who were just the same way. It's gone way too far, entirely too far, but a little bit might not be bad.
I guess a little is better than nothing, but considering retirement will be years and not days, they are doing next to nothing.

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To what degree should people be patronized? Not as far as the left wants, that's for sure. But I've seen people with responsible jobs who traded cars every six months, had their credit cards maxed out, and one missed paycheck would have been disaster. No way these people would save. We could say that they ought to be weaned toward prudence but it's too late, and I'm not sure that it was ever the right time.

Then we have to look at people who are starving, and feed them or do something. The original benevolent associations, like the Eagles, I think, were in effect insurance. People paid a small amount every week, for benefits, medical and employment.

Back when it was considered infra dig to take money, some people utterly at their wits' ends applied for benefits but were embarrassed. They were told not to be, they'd paid in, and indeed they had. This is a long way from the entitlement culture of today.

I've always had a soft spot for the Mormons. If you're a Mormon needing help, you had to get rid of the luxuries. 40 years ago that meant no television. Then they'd help you.

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Commissar Theocritus wrote:To what degree should people be patronized? Not as far as the left wants, that's for sure. But I've seen people with responsible jobs who traded cars every six months, had their credit cards maxed out, and one missed paycheck would have been disaster. No way these people would save. We could say that they ought to be weaned toward prudence but it's too late, and I'm not sure that it was ever the right time.

Then we have to look at people who are starving, and feed them or do something. The original benevolent associations, like the Eagles, I think, were in effect insurance. People paid a small amount every week, for benefits, medical and employment.

Back when it was considered infra dig to take money, some people utterly at their wits' ends applied for benefits but were embarrassed. They were told not to be, they'd paid in, and indeed they had. This is a long way from the entitlement culture of today.

I've always had a soft spot for the Mormons. If you're a Mormon needing help, you had to get rid of the luxuries. 40 years ago that meant no television. Then they'd help you.

I wish I had a comment to continue sircomrade, but unfortunatly I don't.

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And so ends another chapter of a really long discussion between some people. Watch, as this thread now slowly dissolves into nothing and becomes one with the lost threads of the People's Blog....

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Betty, would you have every thread you've been on continue?

But who knows...there could be threads which magically regenerate themselves in the middle of the night with Oscar Wilde-like witticisms, but which do not notify us...

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Actually, I've witnessed this phenomenon. Threads thought long dead--threads so old even I never knew they existed--will suddenly come back to life thanks to the posts of marauding visitors usually named Guest or YouPeopleAreMorons.


 
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