When spreading fear through incitement is all a political party can offer, that political party has no solutions to the problems Americans are currently facing.







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Incited people are dangerous to a comrade's well-being.

Most Equally Esteemed Comrade Jackalopelipski,

Is it wrong that my first thought was “Bring it”?  

Red Salmon

RE: Comrade Red Salmon says the quiet part out loud:

"Is it wrong that my first thought was “Bring it”?

On the one hand, a lot of us would just like to get it over with - be it the Culture War, the political one, or an actual knock-down, drag out, "Bugaloo" or whatever the kids are calling it these days. Let's just settle this nonsense.

Wherever we lock horns with 'em, our problem is the same one confronting the military: Asymmetric Warfare.

WE have to follow the "rules" and fight "fair" - THEY don't. The Bad Guys also have a complicit mass media that they use as a force multiplier.

Whatever the conflict, we have the skills, resources, people and discipline to beat them in a straight up fight, but there's a fine line there: If we say, "Well, two can play at that game", and "Let's fight fire with fire", "we" risk becoming "them".

Whether it's fighting all the blatant lies from "Heels Up" Commie-La Harris, or the IDF rooting out the despicable rodents* in Gaza, or the police vs Antifa, that's what we're confronted with.

*My apologies to the global Rodent Community.

Most Equally Esteemed Comrade Zeppelin,

PROG EVER SO OFF:

I disagree.  When did the BLM and ANTIFA riots cease?  When some of their own were shot by persons protecting themselves.  You could almost hear the collective "Can they do that?" from the rioters.  The three knuckleheads who chose to attack a young man armed with an AR-15 comes to mind.  By the way, he was acquitted.  They will never be the same. 

Always cheat, always win.  That is the reality if you want to survive a fight.  Never strike with your bare hands when there are bricks laying around.  To meet an adversary intent on doing you harm with the "rules" is a recipe for failure. 

Us becoming them?  What do you think will be the result of their victory?  Is our extinction better than "becoming them"?  Their candidate has proposed policies that will lead directly to a second coming of the Great Depression and a famine that will put Mao to shame.  I think I can "debase" myself to resist that. 

I am so tired of having my good nature used against me.  Ayn Rand talks about this in Atlas Shrugged.  The complicity of the victim.  Well, I will NOT comply.  I will resist.  RESIST WE MUCH!

PROG BACK ON

Red Salmon

RE: "I am so tired of having my good nature used against me. "

Sorta my point.

As far as picking up a brick, well, yeah - but don't get caught.

A lot of the military ROEs are written more for CYA than anything else, and that's understood - but that's not what I'm referring to here. I also get that the best defense is often a good offense, and again, I'm not saying anything contrary to that.

As for, "To meet an adversary intent on doing you harm with the "rules" is a recipe for failure."

True enough - but my point is, we can't be the aggressor. We damn sure better win it when things come to blows, but we can't be the one starting the fight. "They" get away with it - "Peaceful Protests", "Innocent Civilians" and all that - WE go to jail. Hell, Grandma stands in the wrong spot near an abortion clinic and.....Federal Prison.

And don't even get me started about January 6 and the supposed "insurrection".

I agree with you about what happened in Kenosha with Kyle Rittenhouse, too - but then look at George Zimmerman and "Obama's Son".....

If there hadn't been film of it, Kyle'd be cooked.

Same with the recent pro-Israel protester that was clearly attacked and shot his assailant - the bad guy literally ran across the street to attack him. Clearly assault, and clearly an appropriate level of self-defense - but look who got charged....

Same with Marine Daniel Penny in NY.

My point about becoming "them" comes up every election cycle. The Loopy Loony Lemming-Like Lying Liberal Lefties feel like they have a RIGHT to steal yard signs, cheat at the polls, vandalize your truck if you have the wrong bumper sticker, etc. - but we can NEVER stoop to their level. Once we start doing the same stuff then we are not who we say we are any more.

Same with wearing masks - we don't - they DO.

I agree with you - it's appropriate to push back, and many of us do. Just remember, you may win the fight itself, but lose or get punished after. That's the part that's unbalanced and unfair, so DON'T GET CAUGHT.

I'm having a hard time expressing all this. To paraphrase General Savage, "I'm a-swingin' but no chips are flyin'...."

Comrades Red Zeppelin and the very cured Red Salmon,

RE: "I am so tired of having my good nature used against me. "

So let's use our good nature against them. The jackalope responds with a mashup of Maxine Waters directing the J6ers into action.



Get in Cabinet Secretaries faces!! ????

This Maxine Waters Directive exonerates all Trump Election Request Statement attendees for their willingness to enter the sacred ground in search of a secretary, a guard, staff member to humbly ask that voting integrity questions be answered before certification.

4 years later we have RED MAXINE as our defending witness for getting in some Cabinet Secretary's face. with our RED MAXINE's Defense Mashups. Set those gulag prisoners, and investigated soon to be railroaded prisoners FREE, Red Maxine! Set them FREE RED MAXINE!

Just mashtup your local scene with a Red Maxine Directive as defense, and you are FREE!

"Red Maxine directed me to do this. I never would have thought to get in the face of a Cabinet Secretary until Red Maxine directed me to"

Continuing with mashup —- Did Joy Reid predict a future where Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi are arrested? America always been an oppressive Latin American Country and must cease that, immediately.



Joy Reid has psychic abilities and we should take advantage of them at every opportunity. Especially if seeing Nancy Pelosi hauled out of Washington, DC before it becomes an oppressive Latin American State seizing the means of production right under our noses.

Red Zeppelin wrote: ↑

10/18/2024, 9:56 am

My apologies to the global Rodent Community.

The jackalope is a lagomorph, not a rodent.

Otherwise, your response was reasonable and pragmatic, which avoids the fact that the forces of evil are not. When we hit a critical mass, the point where we must fight or lose all forever, pragmatism goes right out the window—and the USSA is bound to devolve into the Mad Max nation that the Globalist and China have long prepared for.

Red Salmon wrote: ↑

10/18/2024, 10:50 am

I disagree....Always cheat, always win.  That is the reality if you want to survive a fight....Us becoming them?  What do you think will be the result of their victory?  Is our extinction better than "becoming them"?  Their candidate has proposed policies that will lead directly to a second coming of the Great Depression and a famine that will put Mao to shame.  I think I can "debase" myself to resist that. 

I must agree. No more Mister Nice Guy.
 

Most Equally Esteemed Comrades,

Comrade Red Zeppelin:  I think you and I are viewing this through two different prisms.  As I read it, you see the current build up as leading to a continuation of the status quo.  People going on trial, civilization such as it is rolling along.  I hope you are correct.  Sadly I think this might be a bigger conflict.  It would be hard to deny that there is much agitation for a most uncivil war in our country.  It seems to be coming from both sides.  My "bring it" was in response to that.  There can be no half measures. 

I toured the World War I museum in downtown Kansas City this last weekend.  June 27th, 1914, everything was just fine and peaceful in Europe.  By the end of August, all of Europe was at war.  In another month over 400 miles of trenches stretched from the English Channel to the Swiss border.  This is in the days before the internet and air travel.  Imagine how fast a conflict could develop here.   Everything could/will change in the blink of an eye. 

Comrade Colonel Obyesyana:  Shoulder to shoulder. 

To all my Equally Esteemed Comrades:  If you have no plan you will be swept away by the tides of history.  You better believe the "other side" has a plan. 

I denounce myself for being a downer. 

Red Salmon

The Antimericans are ready in Houston, Texazistan.

RE: "The jackalope is a lagomorph, not a rodent."

Agreed. Any perceived slight against lagomorphs, horned, mythical or otherwise, and especially of those in present company, was definitely unintentional.

That apology was directed towards the denizens of some of the world's most prominent cities, with a special shout-out to the four-legged pizza-eating (remember that one?) variety occasionally sighted on the streets of New York, who in my opinion have achieved a higher level of civilization than the two-legged variety the IDF is hunting.

At risk of percussively pummeling a deceased equine, add to the thread this:

RE: "Always cheat, always win. That is the reality if you want to survive a fight...."

From our first schoolyard fight we all know that the Marquess of Queensberry ain't in attendance, and there ARE NO RULES. It's not "cheating" to win - you do what you need to do, be it a fistfight, gunfight, dogfight or swinging a Goddamed E-Tool at the bastard's head - that's the nature not only of self-preservation but of victory.

When I was about 9 or 10 years old I had a much older brother (who had just returned from Vietnam), gave me some advice about dealing with a particularly troublesome older bully. Big Brother said, "Listen, he comes at you, you gotta hit him. Hard. And then you gotta keep hitting him until he doesn't want to try to hit you any more. That's the only way these things ever get settled."

Good advice, and it worked. Kicked him a few times, too. Solved that problem.

Looking at that on a global scale brings to mind a personal hero of mine, one General Curtis Emerson LeMay, who once said, "You kill enough of them they will eventually stop fighting". LeMay also believed in using overwhelming force, and believed that (paraphrasing), 'When you fight a war you go all-in and get it done. In the end, fewer people will die, and peace and normalcy will return faster'.

I'm a believer in that doctrine. Fortunately it is not directly applicable to our current state of domestic affairs.

Which brings us to......

"Us becoming them? What do you think will be the result of their victory? Is our extinction better than "becoming them"? Their candidate has proposed policies that will lead directly to a second coming of the Great Depression and a famine that will put Mao to shame. I think I can "debase" myself to resist that."

No, not exactly what I was referring to earlier in the thread.

Try this scenario:

The political Left goes out of their way to cheat in every election cycle. They stuff ballot boxes, have illegal aliens voting, change laws through the courts without the legislature, rip down signs, use death certificates as valid voter ID, take advantage of the elderly and infirm, and lie, lie, lie (and then lie some more).

Should we get down in the mud with them and adopt the same tactics to "win"?

NO.....as in, NO.

Even though they have pop culture and a complicit media on their side, we can't "cheat".

If we were to cheat to "win" an election, it isn't really a win and no longer means anything.

We cannot compromise our honesty and integrity. It's what makes "US" us.

So, what do we do? How do we fight? Lawfare is one way - Tom Fitton at Judicial Watch is doing the Lord's work on this. Be a poll worker, or poll-watcher, or at least support those who are. Get the word out. Support good candidates (and be one yourself if you are so inclined). Don't back away from an argument - know what you stand for, and let people know. Petition your legislatures for voting laws that discourage the cheating the Left is so good at. Do what you can to make sure the law is enforced. Correct the lies when you hear 'em. Support businesses that support all of the above, and, of course, VOTE. There's more I could add, but you see where I'm going with this. Open to suggestion, too.

Let's say we do "cheat" to "win". Where does that end? When do we say, "OK, we cheated enough - time to put the Genie back in the bottle and have fair elections again....."

Reminds me of an old saying: "Want to piss off a Conservative? Tell lies about him. Want to piss off a Democrat? Tell the truth about him."

Red Zeppelin wrote: ↑

10/21/2024, 5:22 pm

RE: "The jackalope is a lagomorph, not a rodent."

Agreed. Any perceived slight against lagomorphs, horned, mythical or otherwise, and especially of those in present company, was definitely unintentional.

That apology was directed towards the denizens of some of the world's most prominent cities, with a special shout-out to the four-legged pizza-eating (remember that one?) variety occasionally sighted on the streets of New York, who in my opinion have achieved a higher level of civilization than the two-legged variety the IDF is hunting.

At risk of percussively pummeling a deceased equine, add to the thread this:

RE: "Always cheat, always win. That is the reality if you want to survive a fight...."

From our first schoolyard fight we all know that the Marquess of Queensberry ain't in attendance, and there ARE NO RULES. It's not "cheating" to win - you do what you need to do, be it a fistfight, gunfight, dogfight or swinging a Goddamed E-Tool at the bastard's head - that's the nature not only of self-preservation but of victory.

When I was about 9 or 10 years old I had a much older brother (who had just returned from Vietnam), gave me some advice about dealing with a particularly troublesome older bully. Big Brother said, "Listen, he comes at you, you gotta hit him. Hard. And then you gotta keep hitting him until he doesn't want to try to hit you any more. That's the only way these things ever get settled."

Good advice, and it worked. Kicked him a few times, too. Solved that problem.

Looking at that on a global scale brings to mind a personal hero of mine, one General Curtis Emerson LeMay, who once said, "You kill enough of them they will eventually stop fighting". LeMay also believed in using overwhelming force, and believed that (paraphrasing), 'When you fight a war you go all-in and get it done. In the end, fewer people will die, and peace and normalcy will return faster'.

I'm a believer in that doctrine. Fortunately it is not directly applicable to our current state of domestic affairs.

Which brings us to......

"Us becoming them? What do you think will be the result of their victory? Is our extinction better than "becoming them"? Their candidate has proposed policies that will lead directly to a second coming of the Great Depression and a famine that will put Mao to shame. I think I can "debase" myself to resist that."

No, not exactly what I was referring to earlier in the thread.

Try this scenario:

The political Left goes out of their way to cheat in every election cycle. They stuff ballot boxes, have illegal aliens voting, change laws through the courts without the legislature, rip down signs, use death certificates as valid voter ID, take advantage of the elderly and infirm, and lie, lie, lie (and then lie some more).

Should we get down in the mud with them and adopt the same tactics to "win"?

NO.....as in, NO.

Even though they have pop culture and a complicit media on their side, we can't "cheat".

If we were to cheat to "win" an election, it isn't really a win and no longer means anything.

We cannot compromise our honesty and integrity. It's what makes "US" us.

So, what do we do? How do we fight? Lawfare is one way - Tom Fitton at Judicial Watch is doing the Lord's work on this. Be a poll worker, or poll-watcher, or at least support those who are. Get the word out. Support good candidates (and be one yourself if you are so inclined). Don't back away from an argument - know what you stand for, and let people know. Petition your legislatures for voting laws that discourage the cheating the Left is so good at. Do what you can to make sure the law is enforced. Correct the lies when you hear 'em. Support businesses that support all of the above, and, of course, VOTE. There's more I could add, but you see where I'm going with this. Open to suggestion, too.

Let's say we do "cheat" to "win". Where does that end? When do we say, "OK, we cheated enough - time to put the Genie back in the bottle and have fair elections again....."

Reminds me of an old saying: "Want to piss off a Conservative? Tell lies about him. Want to piss off a Democrat? Tell the truth about him."

As they put you on the train to the gulag or push you against a wall to take a bullet shower, you might say, "Well, at least I kept my integrity and didn't cheat."

It's too already too late to take preventive measures. The cheat is already on and nothing but below-the-belt tactics can slow it down or stop it now. The adversary is entirely amoral and dishonorable and will have no remorse as they bury us.

As former AG Eric Holder remarked in 2018, “Michelle always says, ‘When they go low, we go high.’ No. No. When they go low, we kick them.”

And they have been kicking us for years and will continue until we're unable to kick back, and this time they'll ensure that we can never kick back again. They've proven civility is over. Progressivism is over. They want it all right now and will stop at nothing to take it all unless they're exposed, thwarted, smacked down hard and stopped cold.

The very notion of proportionate responses in war was created by by the leftists of the U.N. War is won by overwhelming responses. Only the victor can ponder over whether or not he should have taken the high road; the defeated never has that chance once he's been permanently kicked into submission.

 

And your suggestion? I hear a lot of talk about fighting but nothing about who/what/where or how.

Red Zeppelin wrote: ↑

10/21/2024, 7:28 pm

And your suggestion? I hear a lot of talk about fighting but nothing about who/what/where or how.

We are on a political satire site. Let's keep it that way.
 

Most Equally Esteemed Comrade Colonel,

Well said.  

Red Salmon

My reply to Rep Raskin:

Well worth the read, especially thge conclusions:

 https://joehoft.com/twenty-three-questions-one-answer/