He's a one-topic poster anymore, Comrade, convinced that sensible conservatives are dupes for Russian propaganda—a form of denial that sweeps aside legitimate concerns to promote a one-sided view that ignores real consequences.Ivan the Stakhanovets wrote: ↑2/27/2023, 6:26 pmHas her account been approved by CNN? is this current truth?
Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑2/27/2023, 9:10 pmHe's a one-topic poster anymore, Comrade, convinced that sensible conservatives are dupes for Russian propaganda—a form of denial that sweeps aside legitimate concerns to promote a one-sided view that ignores real consequences.Ivan the Stakhanovets wrote: ↑2/27/2023, 6:26 pmHas her account been approved by CNN? is this current truth?
Making it even more ridiculous are boasts that "I have sources in Ukraine," which really means very little considering that Ukraine also has a propaganda machine.
It's tedious and insulting and it offers no clear picture of the path to a happy outcome that doesn't include a worldwide conflagration.
I have considered Russia an enemy for decades. I have been face to face with them. I understand their propaganda and methods. I'm not swayed by propaganda and it's foolish and irrational to promote a fiction that conservatives are not clamoring for unending support for Ukraine because we are too ignorant or inexperienced to recognize propaganda.
Bullshit.
They should step back and realize that they are aligning themselves with the same liberals who are corrupting and selling out the United States. Many of us know that those liberals have no interest in the security of the United States and it is painfully apparent that endless support for protracted war is less a solution and more a formula for drastic change in the balance of power and a devastating weakening of the U.S.
I realize that the situation is dire for Ukrainians but the situation is even more dire for the U.S. if we continue along the path that the inept Biden administration is forcing upon us.
We must have a rational endgame to work toward, not a blind rush forward and damn the consequences.
It's sounding like a Bizarro version of the Mensa Society around here lately except the self-appointed Illuminati are no better informed or qualified than anyone on the street.
Ivan Betinov wrote: ↑2/28/2023, 6:39 pmWow. I'd voice an opinion, but I'd probably be denounced as a member of the self-appointed Illuminati.
Ivan the Stakhanovets wrote: ↑3/2/2023, 3:32 amI bet those secret illuminati folks have a secret bunker where they meet in secret and talk about their secrets. And stuff.
But I'm sure that's not the Party™ line... and goodness Lenin knows there's nothing like that around here.
Thank you, Kapitan, for at least having the candor to admit that you agree with Biden even though he's a tool.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑2/28/2023, 11:28 amThe divisions on the US Ukraine response run deep. It's the only thing I agree with Biden on, even though he doesn't know why he's doing it.
Comrade Colonel, this situation is much bigger than the senile puppet Biden and much bigger than Ukraine.Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/2/2023, 12:04 pmThank you, Kapitan, for at least having the candor to admit that you agree with Biden even though he's a tool.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑2/28/2023, 11:28 amThe divisions on the US Ukraine response run deep. It's the only thing I agree with Biden on, even though he doesn't know why he's doing it.
As for the others...
Incidentally, I'm not "boasting" that I have sources in Ukraine. I'm simply stating a fact that I'm sourcing my information from many different places, none of which are the American MSM.Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑2/27/2023, 9:10 pm
Making it even more ridiculous are boasts that "I have sources in Ukraine," which really means very little considering that Ukraine also has a propaganda machine.
I've heard all that before but I don't buy it. Russia may be a current threat to Ukraine but it's hardly capable of much more despite Putin's rantings, which is why he relies on the nuclear option.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/2/2023, 12:53 pmComrade Colonel, this situation is much bigger than the senile puppet Biden and much bigger than Ukraine.
In my view, the $120 billion in equipment and money sent to Ukraine is the least expensive way of dealing with the obvious threat that Putin and the Russian hierarchy present to world peace. Putin and his acolytes have stated their goals of reconstituting the Soviet Empire and expanding it all the way to Lisbon and retaking Alaska and parts of Japan.
To put the cost in perspective, Biden left $80 billion worth of equipment in Afghanistan. There was an article just this week that the IRS, the freaking IRS, could not account for $80 billion. They know where your money is but they don't know where theirs is. In comparison to the entire federal budget of $4 trillion, $120 billion is a drop in the ocean.
I know the Hitler analogy gets thrown about a lot but Putin really is a Hitler like character and uses the same excuses Hitler used for annexing parts of other independent nations. Hitler was insanely angry at the loss of power Germany suffered after WW I. Putin is insanely angry at the loss of power Russia suffered after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Both leaders had/have popular support within their nations.
While he's destroying parts of Ukraine, he has now agitated an attempted popular coup in Moldova, on Ukraine's southern border.
He needs to be stopped and his military capability needs to be decimated.
Funding and supplying Ukraine's war effort means that, although we expend wealth, we don't expend blood. We are not alone in this effort. Every NATO nation is contributing, as are many nations that are not NATO, including my homeland.
This is a necessary battle that needs to be fought and fortunately for us, it's the Ukrainians fighting the battle.
Once more, Kapitan, thank you for your candor and willingness to elucidate your position.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/2/2023, 3:21 pmIncidentally, I'm not "boasting" that I have sources in Ukraine. I'm simply stating a fact that I'm sourcing my information from many different places, none of which are the American MSM.Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑2/27/2023, 9:10 pm
Making it even more ridiculous are boasts that "I have sources in Ukraine," which really means very little considering that Ukraine also has a propaganda machine.
A discerning, cynical and skeptical person, such as myself, can tell the difference between propaganda and actual reporting of reality. The difference being that actual reporting doesn't try to sugar coat the reality of the war.
I'm also sourcing information from Russia, Poland and other places, including the UK. Much of it is propaganda and that's patently obvious but even the propaganda can help inform.
It's not a boast. It's simply me giving an appraisal of what I have learned, and am learning. I've been unemployed for almost a year and I've spent a lot of time trying to be informed of the reality of what is going on there. Not every source is good or propaganda free but they, collectively, give me a pretty good idea of what's going on there and the attitude of the combatants. Ukrainian morale is high. Russian morale is not. In war, that makes a huge difference.
In my opinion, the nuclear threats are nothing but bluster. Putin Has been warned that if he authorizes any nuclear attack, even if it's a tactical strike on the battle field, that there would be no more NATO holding back and that Russia would be entirely devastated with conventional weapons. They would cease to have a military. It would lead to the complete collapse of the Russian Federation and the invasion of China into eastern Russia.Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/2/2023, 3:45 pmWhat I am NOT hearing is a solid, non-speculative non Ukraine-originated reason why we need to shed more blood and treasure on yet another foreign proxy war. Russia is an international asshole but it has neither the manpower or the reliable military resources for an extended war without nuclear blackmail.
Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/2/2023, 4:33 pmIn my opinion, the nuclear threats are nothing but bluster. Putin Has been warned that if he authorizes any nuclear attack, even if it's a tactical strike on the battle field, that there would be no more NATO holding back and that Russia would be entirely devastated with conventional weapons. They would cease to have a military. It would lead to the complete collapse of the Russian Federation and the invasion of China into eastern Russia.Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/2/2023, 3:45 pmWhat I am NOT hearing is a solid, non-speculative non Ukraine-originated reason why we need to shed more blood and treasure on yet another foreign proxy war. Russia is an international asshole but it has neither the manpower or the reliable military resources for an extended war without nuclear blackmail.
Putin is not a fool. He knows that would cost him everything he seeks to obtain. Besides that, he would not politically survive a refusal by his military to obey that order, which is more than likely.
The Russian hierarchy are not suicidal. Everyone knows that Putin made a huge mistake invading Ukraine. His loss of power is simply a matter of time. The Russian hierarchy are not going to go down with him, even though they agree with his reasoning
Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/2/2023, 3:21 pmColonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑2/27/2023, 9:10 pm
Making it even more ridiculous are boasts that "I have sources in Ukraine," which really means very little considering that Ukraine also has a propaganda machine.
A discerning, cynical and skeptical person, such as myself, can tell the difference between propaganda and actual reporting of reality. The difference being that actual reporting doesn't try to sugar coat the reality of the war.
Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/2/2023, 10:07 pmI did watch that video, comrade 'pelipsky. It confirmed much of what I've already learned.
Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 2:14 amThere is so much more to this than just Ukraine and Eastern Europe. This is a cold world war with a hot spot in Ukraine. It involves China and all of south and southeast Asia, (pretty much the whole of the Asian continent) as well as Australia and New Zealand and most of the Pacific Islands nations. Africa and South America are not directly threatened but China has certainly been trying to buy influence in those areas.
China would love to see both America and Russia weakened. America will only be weakened by internal political divisions, which China is stoking. Russia is being weakened by Putin's stupid egotistical war. China sees that as a plus for them.
We are in for a wild ride, geopolitically. China's economy is collapsing. Russia's economy is collapsing. The Biden administration is deliberately destroying the US economy. Those things always seem to lead to war.
None of it is good.
Komissar al-Blogunov wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 9:47 amOne more thing, Kapitan. If you haven't already discovered these sources, I recommend Denys Davydov and Reporting from Ukraine in addition to Anna from Ukraine.
Denys does honest reporting and does not hesitate to call out corruption in his own government when he sees it.
Reporting from Ukraine does succinct military updates that are very informative. Unfortunately, there's a "source" called Divine Justice that uses the same thumbnails as Reporting from Ukraine but is unreliable.
There are more. I may post a list for the Greater Good™.
Comrade Colonel, you should be listening to your own appraisal. You, too, have formed your opinion and, apparently, cannot be swayed by any new information. You dismiss it all. That's your choice and trying to convince you otherwise is an exercise in futility. You have mentioned certain "big picture" possibilities whilst assuming nobody else has considered those matters. Two things can be true at the same time. Consideration of that reality may help you understand why many of us are supportive of Ukraine's self defense. Like it or not, we're already in WW3. It just hasn't expanded beyond Ukraine, yet.Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 12:08 pmSorry, Comrades, but all of these "sources" may provide third-party anecdotal information, historical or statistical information, or slanted information, but all they do is inform opinions you've already established. They provide little or no useful or untainted information that answers the Grand Question.
My appraisal of the situation is not bogged down in irrelevancies or lost in examining the weeds. I absolutely see that others have considered those matters and see that some have pledged allegiance to whatever Zelensky wants for however long he wants to the exclusion of all other considerations.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 1:05 pmComrade Colonel, you should be listening to your own appraisal. You, too, have formed your opinion and, apparently, cannot be swayed by any new information. You dismiss it all. That's your choice and trying to convince you otherwise is an exercise in futility. You have mentioned certain "big picture" possibilities whilst assuming nobody else has considered those matters. Two things can be true at the same time. Consideration of that reality may help you understand why many of us are supportive of Ukraine's self defense. Like it or not, we're already in WW3. It just hasn't expanded beyond Ukraine, yet.Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 12:08 pmSorry, Comrades, but all of these "sources" may provide third-party anecdotal information, historical or statistical information, or slanted information, but all they do is inform opinions you've already established. They provide little or no useful or untainted information that answers the Grand Question.
Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 10:59 amKomissar al-Blogunov wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 9:47 amOne more thing, Kapitan. If you haven't already discovered these sources, I recommend Denys Davydov and Reporting from Ukraine in addition to Anna from Ukraine.
Denys does honest reporting and does not hesitate to call out corruption in his own government when he sees it.
Reporting from Ukraine does succinct military updates that are very informative. Unfortunately, there's a "source" called Divine Justice that uses the same thumbnails as Reporting from Ukraine but is unreliable.
There are more. I may post a list for the Greater Good™.
I look at Davydov's daily updates. I've seen Devine Justice and Warthog Defense, both of which are more leaning towards propaganda. Since you posted that Anna video, I've started paying attention to her vlog. There are a few others I could mention. I'd like to see your list and compare.
In my humble opinion, I think you're conflating two different issues. The push for the New World Order by the Globalist elite is not the same thing as defending Europe against Russian aggression (which is what the Ukrainian war is actually about), though the Globalist elite will certainly try to use it to their advantage. That being said, expecting intelligent strategy and reactions from unintelligent people is asking a little too much. All I'm hoping for (and expect will eventually happen) is a conclusion that sees Ukraine restored to full independence and Russia's military devastated to the point it can no longer threaten its neighbors, resulting in Putin being deposed.Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 4:22 pmMy appraisal of the situation is not bogged down in irrelevancies or lost in examining the weeds. I absolutely see that others have considered those matters and see that some have pledged allegiance to whatever Zelensky wants for however long he wants to the exclusion of all other considerations.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 1:05 pmComrade Colonel, you should be listening to your own appraisal. You, too, have formed your opinion and, apparently, cannot be swayed by any new information. You dismiss it all. That's your choice and trying to convince you otherwise is an exercise in futility. You have mentioned certain "big picture" possibilities whilst assuming nobody else has considered those matters. Two things can be true at the same time. Consideration of that reality may help you understand why many of us are supportive of Ukraine's self defense. Like it or not, we're already in WW3. It just hasn't expanded beyond Ukraine, yet.Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 12:08 pmSorry, Comrades, but all of these "sources" may provide third-party anecdotal information, historical or statistical information, or slanted information, but all they do is inform opinions you've already established. They provide little or no useful or untainted information that answers the Grand Question.
I am not against support for Ukraine, I'm for wiser strategy that will make any further war unattractive to all participants. Unfortunately, our leadership is both unwise and dedicated to a New World Order.
It's popular for some to say that we're already in WWIII, but we're not; we're at the brink of it, but if we were, we should be taking every measure to ensure an intelligent victory, not a pyyhric victory that starts and ends at Ukraine with the world in ruins.
You know, it's an interesting thing I've noticed on the Twitter machine that since a well know influencer has declared the whole idea of the war in Ukraine as suspect (i.e. it's not actually happening) because he's never seen any footage of it, that anytime I point out that I've seen plenty of footage, and direct people to said footage, that they will deny it and proclaim that the footage isn't proof of anything because we don't know where it came from. Apparently, if it's not shown on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN or FOX, it simply doesn't exist or is off a movie set. Some people simply can't be convinced.Komissar al-Blogunov wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 4:46 pmWarthog Defense can provide some interesting footage, but I usually end realizing that I've learned nothing new, so I don't promote them as a news source. If you don't see my list soon, then look under the all-seeing-eye rug in TB #2. I mean, if such a thing existed. Hypothetically, of course. Remember the handshake.
Ivan the Stakhanovets wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 3:52 pmComrades,
Play nice back there. Don't make me stop this tractor...
You might agree with my opinion if you stop listening to the justifiably distressed and emotional assessments of the Ukrainian leadership and fan-boys who dream of a glorious destruction of evil Russia that ends with Ukrainian tanks rolling though Red Square. That's an insane fantasy.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 5:41 pmIvan the Stakhanovets wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 3:52 pmComrades,
Play nice back there. Don't make me stop this tractor...
It's not intended to be a pay back. I appreciate the good Colonel's opinion. I just don't agree with him.
Then let Ukraine fall in the hope that there will be no further threat to Europe once Putin has Ukraine?Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 8:41 pmYou might agree with my opinion if you stop listening to the justifiably distressed and emotional assessments of the Ukrainian leadership and fan-boys who dream of a glorious destruction of evil Russia that ends with Ukrainian tanks rolling though Red Square. That's an insane fantasy.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 5:41 pmIvan the Stakhanovets wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 3:52 pmComrades,
Play nice back there. Don't make me stop this tractor...
It's not intended to be a pay back. I appreciate the good Colonel's opinion. I just don't agree with him.
I'm not conflating issues. Europe isn't facing immediate Russian military aggression. Europe isn't in need of immediate defense. The war in Ukraine is a Russian land grab—first and foremost—and the targeted Ukraine is naturally trying to magnify its import to get the West to intervene (and no one could blame them for trying).
Many members of the Biden administration are Globalists and all Globalists are surrogates of the CCP. They are eager for war because they are slaves to Chinese influence. They are eager for depopulation because world war would facilitate that. And—as usual—those most eager for war have never experienced war or fought in war. I certainly have, and it's not as clean and neat as those lines and symbols you see on maps.
The world in ruins is not hyperbolic at all. You estimated that the Russians would never let Putin use nukes. Based on what? Do you have agents surrounding Putin? Do you have solid inside information that you would stake your life on? Or the lives of your family? Or the lives of the people of your adopted nation?
Have you ever played Russian roulette, Comrade? That's the game you're playing when you assess that Putin won't push the button when cornered. That's the game you don't play if you're determined to win.
Komissar al-Blogunov wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 10:11 pmThen let Ukraine fall in the hope that there will be no further threat to Europe once Putin has Ukraine?
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/4/2023, 11:44 amKomissar al-Blogunov wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 10:11 pmThen let Ukraine fall in the hope that there will be no further threat to Europe once Putin has Ukraine?
The Russians can scarcely handle Ukraine let alone march on Europe.
Ben Franklin was speaking of his own countrymen and in a context that has nothing—even remotely—to do with Ukraine. Don't be-clown yourself with false equivalencies.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 5:42 amBenjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/4/2023, 11:44 amKomissar al-Blogunov wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 10:11 pmThen let Ukraine fall in the hope that there will be no further threat to Europe once Putin has Ukraine?
The Russians can scarcely handle Ukraine let alone march on Europe.
Ukraine deserves both.
Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 10:32 amBen Franklin was speaking of his own countrymen and in a context that has nothing—even remotely—to do with Ukraine. Don't be-clown yourself with false equivalencies.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 5:42 amBenjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/4/2023, 11:44 amKomissar al-Blogunov wrote: ↑3/3/2023, 10:11 pmThen let Ukraine fall in the hope that there will be no further threat to Europe once Putin has Ukraine?
The Russians can scarcely handle Ukraine let alone march on Europe.
Ukraine deserves both.
I'd stay off this thread if you'd stop insulting our intelligence.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 2:17 pmColonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 10:32 amBen Franklin was speaking of his own countrymen and in a context that has nothing—even remotely—to do with Ukraine. Don't be-clown yourself with false equivalencies.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 5:42 amBenjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/4/2023, 11:44 am
The Russians can scarcely handle Ukraine let alone march on Europe.
Ukraine deserves both.
Benjamin Franklin was talking about humanity, after the successful defeat of the, then, most powerful military in the world, achieved with help from the, then, powerful French navy. Ukraine is fighting for its freedom, against a more, on paper, powerful military, just like the United States was. It's not a false equivalence.
And if you can't refrain from insulting people, maybe you should just stay off this thread. Your judgment seems to be clouded.
Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 5:34 pmWhy has the fat Russian lady propagandist got a chop stick sticking out of her ass?
Those damned Ukrainians. Constantly messing up the Russians' plans.Red Square wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 5:40 pmKapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 5:34 pmWhy has the fat Russian lady propagandist got a chop stick sticking out of her ass?
That was a Cossack spear inserted by a Ukrainian saboteur. I have now airbrushed it for aesthetic consideration.
Unfortunately, true Comrade Director, but not only unable to distinguish the truth from fiction, also not willing to consider the possibility that they are being fooled. Or consider that not every situation, event or occurrence is without nuance.Red Square wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 7:01 pmSomeone said, the best propaganda is truth.
That may be so, but deceit has always been a part of war. And Russia has been at war with the world for over a century, even when the world wasn't at war with it. Part of that war was to disorient people and destroy their ability to recognize the truth.
Today I look around and I see plenty of good but disoriented people who can't tell truth from deliberate fiction.
Time for a peace offering. Check your mail for a $100 gift card for a case of Vagisil.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 4:48 pmWhatever dude. Your opposition to US support of Ukraine is quite clear. What you seem incapable of doing is conducting a civil conversation about it.
That's your choice. Nobody else is required to accommodate your obviously emotionally charged assessments of the situation.
You're not going to change my opinion and you obviously are not going to change your own opinion. Just try to be civil.
It would be better for you.
Colonel Obyezyana wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 9:26 pmTime for a peace offering. Check your mail for a $100 gift card for a case of Vagisil.Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote: ↑3/9/2023, 4:48 pmWhatever dude. Your opposition to US support of Ukraine is quite clear. What you seem incapable of doing is conducting a civil conversation about it.
That's your choice. Nobody else is required to accommodate your obviously emotionally charged assessments of the situation.
You're not going to change my opinion and you obviously are not going to change your own opinion. Just try to be civil.
It would be better for you.
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