I'm Shocked! Shocked!

After getting rid of sacrificing an entire generation of brave, patriotic young soldiers and wasting billions (trillions?) in the sandy middle Eastern money pits, it seems Afghanistan is now about to be overrun by Taliban forces.

In other words: a deeply conservative, traditionalist Islamic country seems to prefer a deeply conservative, traditionalist Islamic government.

Who would have thunked! They pinky-sweared to be sweet and meek little lambs, and now they... sniff, sniff ... broke their promise. This must be the first time in history Islamic conquering armies do such a thing (o, wait).

Maybe we should have sent more Drag Queens to their kindergartens to read stories, or maybe we should have provided the Taliban with more stretchy garments for their pregnant female fighters. Maybe then they would have been in awe about the current state of Western civilization!

If only we could find some sort of common denominator... something to explain why Afghanistan and Iraq are so difficult to turn into San Francisco... (Without using the word Islam, of course, that's beyond the pale).

What a mistery! Ivy League professors will debate this for many years to come! (Without using the word Islam, of course).

Comrade Minitrue

Usually when I say, "I could see it coming," it's for much more near-term events.

Regarding Afghanistan, I've been saying it for 21 years.

So has most of the world.

Minitrue wrote:... Afghanistan is now about to be overrun ...

I'm shocked, shocked, too!
"overrun"? "overrun"?? liberated, Komrade Minitrue! LIBERATED!!

Komrade Minitrue, my dear Brother Al-Minitru al-Belgiki, where - by Allahu (who is Akbar, PBUH) - is your korrekt oriental spirit? So amply documented here! here! here! and.. and.. and.. !

― Brother Al-Dumko al-Almani of Bavariastan

Minitrue wrote:... we should have sent more Drag Queens to their kindergartens ...
[and]
... more stretchy garments for their pregnant female fighters ...

Yes! Yes! definitely, abbsssolutely!
And also - never forget - transgendered CJCSs! transgendered four-star generalx! transgendered strategico-tactic pen-pushers!

Colonel Obyezyana wrote:Usually when I say, "I could see it coming," it's for much more near-term events.

Regarding Afghanistan, I've been saying it for 21 years.

So has most of the world.

nano-precision, Colonel, nano-precision!

Good news!

Glorious leader Biden has found a way to cut spending!

Apparently the Taliban are selling cheap Blackhawk Helicopters and other American military materiel. "Buying this equipment at these prices is a bargain, it's practically stealing it," according to President Biden. He is sending his top negotiator, Hunter Biden, with a secret laptop full of videos about negotiating skills, to arrange the trade. It is rumored that Hunter will try to buy these arms in exchange for some of his highly praised artworks.

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NOTE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE:The text above is satire. Please do NOT do this. It's not a manual! It's bad enough already.

But the likelihood there's going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely. - Joe Biden, July 8, 2021

“What you had is you had entire brigades breaking through the gates of our Embassy. Six if I'm not mistaken. The Taliban is not the South, the North Vietnamese army. They're not—they're not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There's going to be no circumstance where you're going to see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy” - Joe Biden, August 5, 2021

It's officially beyond parody now...

Just so sad, all those lives wasted, being led by these blundering fools.

Margaret wrote:But the likelihood there's going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely. - Joe Biden, July 8, 2021

Um, Margaret, you possibly (or very possibly, or exceptionally possibly) misunderestimate Cho Bai-Din's scientificiential precision. He uses the renowned and time-proven klimato-syllogistical probabilisticisms of IPCC¹!

¹ Nobel Peace Prize, ja?

Let me be the first to nominate President* Biden for the Nobbled Peace Prize. He's done more, in all his years in government, to create the climate for needed peace negotiations than any President in the past 5 years. You can't have peace if you don't surrender. Just ask the French.

Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote:Let me be the first to nominate President* Biden for the Nobbled Peace Prize ...

Yess! Yesss!
Nobbled, and wobbled-n-hobbled, plus bobbled!

Frankly, I'm shocked, shocked: When it was Messiah-2008, the Planetary Noblest Medal was quasi-de-facto already placed on the Resolute desk, when He for the first time entered His glorious Ovarial Office of Slowed Rise of The Oceans, Pre-Healing of All Planets, and Pan-Galactic Peace.

It's utterly irresponsible of our Planetary Kommunity, our Gaiactific Humanity, to dilly-dally Cho Bai-Din's Pla-Pea-Prize Presentation until Augusto-Talibanic Peace-Taharrush!

From the NYT, Sunday Aug 15, 2021:

In late March, [Lloyd] Austin and [Mark] Milley made a last-ditch effort with the president by forecasting dire outcomes in which the Afghan military folded in an aggressive advance by the Taliban. They drew comparisons to how the Iraqi military was overrun by the Islamic State in 2014 after U.S. combat troops left Iraq, prompting Obama to send U.S. forces back.

“We've seen this movie before,” Austin told Biden, according to officials with knowledge of the meetings.

But the president was unmoved. If the Afghan government could not hold off the Taliban now, aides said he asked, when would they be able to? None of the Pentagon officials could answer the question.

Biden knew what would happen. He owns this.

Two months ago:


Next month will be LBGTI Pushing Up Daisies Month in Kabul.

At least it's not like Saigon. I mean, the helicopter did not land on the roof this time. And there seems to be more chaos at the airport now. And it's a different kind of helicopter I think. And Kabul is not in Vietnam.

Snopes should fact check all this Saigon stuff!

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(blip)

(in case a comrade pops up,
unaware of that epic exposé)

"As a gesture of good will to the fearless and brave Taliban resistance forces, Glorious Chairman Joe Biden has extended unlimited voting rights to all Taliban activists to give them participation in the 2022 mid term elections. "

Minitrue wrote:At least it's not like Saigon. I mean, the helicopter did not land on the roof this time. And there seems to be more chaos at the airport now. And it's a different kind of helicopter I think. And Kabul is not in Vietnam.

Snopes should fact check all this Saigon stuff!

And there are no boat people. Totally nothing at all like Vietnam.

Say, are those Afghan looking people some of those insurgent second amendment loving religious zealot conservatives who entered the halls of Federal Government and put their feet up on desks belonging to their betters?

Was perhaps January 6 in Washington DC just a rehearsal?

Who's got their captiol police understaffed and in hiding next?

Discuss amongst yourselves for a bit, I'll be under Comrade Cousin Sergey's tractor, he lacked the horsepower for that tree stump, now he lacks the transmission...

Margaret wrote:Two months ago:

pride month in kabul.jpg

Next month will be LBGTI Pushing Up Daisies Month in Kabul.

Maybe the flag was all the provocation, or proof, that Victory was already theirs?

WORLD POLITICS
‘Intelligence failure of the highest order' — How Afghanistan fell to the Taliban so quickly

So, it's like an "Intelligence" thing...

For the files:

Kapitan Kangaroo Kourt wrote:

Minitrue wrote:At least it's not like Saigon. I mean, the helicopter did not land on the roof this time. And there seems to be more chaos at the airport now. And it's a different kind of helicopter I think. And Kabul is not in Vietnam ...

And there are no boat people. Totally nothing at all like Vietnam.

Wait a minute.. and here I thought all that was like in Bakhchisarai? eh?

Minitrue wrote:... Snopes should fact check all this Saigon stuff!

Snopes?
nopes! There is so much discombobulation here, only Komradette RedD can help!

RedD!.. RedD!... . RedD?.. RedD?.. vee neeed your keppele here!

Ivan the Stakhanovets wrote:... lacked the horsepower ..[stump].. now he lacks the transmission

epic!

jackalopelipsky wrote:

Margaret wrote:Two months ago: < pride month in kabul.jpg > ...

Maybe the flag was all the provocation, or proof, that Victory was already theirs?

tcha...
play stupid games, win stupid prizes.....

All I know is it's Bush's fault.

Bumper stickers will start appearing any day now "Biden Lied / Afghans Died", with his various quotes assuring everyone it will be fine, nothing to see here.

jackalopelipsky wrote:. . . So, it's like an "Intelligence" thing...

Mayhap the whole IC (I for Intelligence, C for Kollektive) replaces from now on using IQ-numbers (heteropatriarchal and whitey anyway), and start scoring simply in Talibs¹.


¹ you know, like:

• Tischbein = 0.1 Talib
  
• Kaulquappe = 0.5 Talib
  
• Clapper+Brennan+Comey = ...
  
• etc.

(vot? "Tischbein"? "Kaulquappe"? here, here)




Check your IQ Talib, comrade! :

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Afghanistan: Crenshaw-Reagan Realism Versus WOKE GroupThink and Anti-NeoCon GroupThink.

To the WOKE Mob (we all know who they are) and the Anti-NeoCon Mob (Tucker Carlson*, Laura Ingram**, and the rest of the "no-endless-wars" sloganeers) (e tu Gutfeld!***???):

President Joe Biden's precipitous and reckless withdrawal from Afghanistan instantaneously converted into a cataclysmic failure what had been our nearly twenty years of success in keeping Islamic-Fanaticism on its heels in Afghanistan to a degree sufficient to prevent such fanatics from accomplishing their still-held goals to launch more attacks on the United States comparable in scope to the 9-11 attack.

Biden speciously claims he was merely following a path virtually set in stone by President Trump, who had set an earlier deadline (May, 2021) for such departure.

Trump, and leaders who served in his administration, say that during the interval between the 2020 Election and the present, the Taliban had violated numerous elements of Trump's requirements for implementation of such policy and that, therefore, Trump would not have done what Biden just did.

But even it were to be assumed, arguendo, that Trump would not have implemented the plan he'd already made and and would instead have continued leaving the small force to which he had reduced our presence (after also having forced the Afghan government to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners), such action by Trump may well have yielded a similar catastrophe.

Dan Crenshaw explained it best in two separate interviews in the immediate wake of Biden's catastrophic decision. Assuming you're not a millennial without material historical knowledge and without sufficient attention-span, watch these two lengthy interviews of Crenshaw. One is on Fox & Friends and the other is on CNN:

For the Fox & Friends interview, click here. (If that link doesn't work, watch the screen-captured version embedded here.)


For the CNN interview, click here. (If that link doesn't work, watch the screen-captured version embedded here.)

Regarding Reagan's recognition of totalitarianism's endless-war against liberty, watch this video with special attention to the middle segment in which Reagan focuses on Poland's rebellion against socialistic/communistic totalitarianism's endless war against liberty.I think we should keep sufficient forces in Afghanistan to keep the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Isis, etc. on their heels.
--KOOK

Footnotes:

*Despite Tucker Carlson's many fine qualities and many astute insights into a broad range of issues pertaining to liberty, free speech, "smugness and groupthink," he seems to wholly lack any meaningful degree of introspective recognition of his blind hatred towards "NeoCons" (which goes all the way back to 2001) or the non-commonsensical nature of his isolationist libertarianism (in contrast to NeoCons' strong-military foreign policy based on principles recognized by Ronald Reagan and Bush 43) -- i.e., that totalitarianism is waging an "endless war" against liberty and that Liberty exemplified by the United States Constitution cannot survive as a passive island of liberty in an ocean of totalitarianism. (On this issue, both Reagan and Bush 43 were right: Whether we like it or not, totalitarianism has been, is, and will indefinitely continue, waging endless war against liberty regardless of whether such totalitarianism is of the communistic/Marxist/socialistic variety on which Reagan focused or the Islamic-fanaticism variety on which Bush 43 focused in the wake of 9-11.) NeoCons understand this. Anti-NeoCons (like Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham) ignore the reality of totalitarianism' s endless war against liberty.

**Once an admirer of a NeoCon-style strong-military foreign policy, a few years ago Laura Ingraham thereafter seemed to reject it and instead now embraces isolationist libertarianism and regularly chants the vapid "no-endless-wars" slogan.

***Despite my high opinion of Greg Gutfeld's rigorous intellect and excellent political insights and judgment across a broad range of issues, I'm disappointed that in his first-blush reaction to the unfolding calamity in Afghanistan a few days ago, he seemed to be on the verge of mouthing the "no-endless-wars" sloganeering. It was depressing. However, since then, he's done what few in the media are willing to do: Reevaluate the issues. Consequently, he seems to have grasped the essence of the realistically correct view expressed by Dan Crenshaw. That's encouraging.

As it turns out Hunter Biden really is the smartest person Joe Biden knows.

“Don't bother to examine a folly, ask only what it accomplishes." Ayn Rand

It's quite possible what the Biden administration has set in motion and all of it's ramifications is the purpose.

Chaos is the purpose. Chaos at the border. Chaos in the economy. Chaos in our cities. Chaos in our elections. Chaos in the world. Create chaos and declare that the United States is ungovernable and we need the United Nations to step in and restore Order™. It's worked so well everywhere else. The Party™ knows what's best.

Dan Crenshaw writing in a WSJ op-ed today (emphasis mine):

Mr. Biden's de­ci­sion was reck­less and un­nec­es­sary. Pol­icy aside, there wasn't even po­lit­i­cal pres­sure to take such thought­less ac­tion. The facts on the ground didn't war­rant a hasty with­drawal, and in­tel­ligence pre­dicted the Tal­iban would even­tu­ally take over. Even worse, this de­ci­sion was made as the spring fight­ing sea­son be­gan, all but guar­antee­ing a Tal­iban of­fen­sive em­bold­ened by the knowl­edge of an im­mi­nent U.S. with-drawal and a col­lapse of morale by our Afghan al­lies in uni­form and in gov­ern­ment.

Amer­ica didn't lose a war, or even end one. We gave up on a strate­gic na­tional-se­cu­rity in­ter­est. We gave up on our Afghan al­lies, ex­pect­ing them to stave off a ruth­less in­sur-gency with­out our cru­cial sup­port, which came at min­i­mal cost to us. This admin­is­tra­tion's ac­tions are heart­less, its jus­ti­fi­ca­tions non­sen­si­cal. The con­sequences are dire for in­no­cent Afghans and for Amer­i­ca's pres­tige.

I put it to you this debacle was premeditated. This was exactly the worst time of the year for this to have happened as it it is exactly the best time of the year for offensive operations in Afgahnistan and the Biden administration gave the Taliban months of heads-up in order to plan and prepare for their offensive operations. I put it to you this debacle was done to accomplish that which it is doing in every sense and that which will now transpire across the globe.

Quit thinking Joe Biden is a total vegetable. Joe Biden is a very evil man in league with other very evil men.

Everyone accused President Trump, the president who expanded world peace, prosperity and civilization of being the isolationist. But this is the actual isolationist:

He comes from the swamp planet, Demobah.

Not mine. Found on the internet:

Exactly Margaret,

It makes the horned rodent sick contemplating Karl Marxist Treatment --by using Dan Crenshaw's "I saw this coming" for his otherwise brilliant analysis about there's more going on here. Yes! That is a fact.

'pelipsky mythical roams Texazistan and antlers picked up his RinoCon signal before Dan first stepped into horizon. If not for his hubris working against the Trump Doctrine to prevent this present reality, maybe something productive could have happened.

All because Dan knew for a fact that Trump didn't know Jackalope about matters of war. His years in The Some People's of Texazistan service, Dan's AntiTrumpHyperbolic Chambered work prevented execution of Trump's plan to avoid this art of war from taking place. Because Karl Marxist Treatment's, treatment that something else is going on here is truth. Particularly since the media accepts a mind broken man as NORMAL and able to perform the duties for which he was elected to perform.

But, Trump was abnormal and without sense in Dan's mind.

That whole thought, sort of needs sifting in the mythical being of this jackalope..

Margaret wrote:Not mine. Found on the internet:

Nice find, Margaret. This is mine. (95% of what I post is mine.)

Here's a thought, we send Nancy Pelosi and Dianne Feinstein to Kabul, and they can confiscate scary black assault rifles to their hearts content, thus protecting their constituencies and keep those campaign promises.

Ivan the Stakhanovets wrote:Here's a thought, we send Nancy Pelosi and Dianne Feinstein to Kabul, and they can confiscate scary black assault rifles to their hearts content, thus protecting their constituencies and keep those campaign promises.

In the second wave we should send literally every academic who ever whined about "patriarchy" and "systemic oppression", to change the Afghan system from within.

In the third wave, everyone (especially journalists) who ever used the word "Islamophobe" to stop a conversation.

Minitrue wrote:

Ivan the Stakhanovets wrote:Here's a thought, we send Nancy Pelosi and Dianne Feinstein to Kabul, and they can confiscate scary black assault rifles to their hearts content, thus protecting their constituencies and keep those campaign promises.

In the second wave we should send literally every academic who ever whined about "patriarchy" and "systemic oppression", to change the Afghan system from within.

In the third wave, everyone (especially journalists) who ever used the word "Islamophobe" to stop a conversation.

Komrades, komrades...
I'm a bit embarrassed by your (albeit mild, I admit) shortsightedness.

How dare you forget Amerifeminists? Proglofeminists? Interfeminists?

[right]... and Klimatists?!![/right]

'pelipsky supports these Three Waves of Powershifting truth to power.

Be sure to enlist plenty professional pacifists in the Second Wave Battalion. Peace can only happen through pacifism.

Emotions are running a little high, here.

I think everyone needs to calm down and have a nice big bowl of Colonel-O's!

jackalopelipsky wrote:'pelipsky supports these Three Waves of Powershifting truth to power.

Be sure to enlist plenty professional pacifists in the Second Wave Battalion. Peace can only happen through pacifism.

Comrade Weird Rodent, I believe I mentioned much the same thing earlier in this thread.

PEACE™ THROUGH SURENDER!

The Party™ fully endorses this concept and forcefully encourages all to accept full submission as the only Road Map™ to Lasting Peace™.

It cannot be any other way.

To the extent to which it's an issue whether Crenshaw's perception (i.e., that it would have been wiser to maintain a suitably-sized residual force in Afghanistan to enable the Afghan army, which was enduring sizeable casualty figures in combat roles aided by American support, to prevent the Taliban from taking over and to also maintain effective in-the-field vigilance against Afghanistan returning to it's pre-9-11 status as a haven and enabler for terrorists desiring to attack us or our allies) rendered his thinking as being somehow inferior to Trump's, it's my belief that Ben Shapiro would likewise deem Crenshaw's strategy to be superior to Trump's but also (like Crenshaw) would deem Trump's strategy to be vastly superior to Biden's.

Even though the video below is from 2019, I think it demonstrates that Shapiro's and Crenshaw's views are quite similar. I mention this because another video by Shapiro devastatingly describing the indefensibly and catastrophically stupid nature of Biden's strategy has (sensibly) already been posted on this thread.



I say all this with respect towards all my colleagues who may have differing views of Crenshaw's opinions, but I'm proud to associate myself with his insights.

--KOOK

Comrade Kook, I think your views have merit and should not be dismissed out of hand the truth is whatever the Party tells me.


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As I understand the opinions on Afghanistan fall roughly in the following categories:

1. Kill the terrorists, then get out. If necessary, come back to do it again (isn't it cheaper by the way to send a division each year to visit and mop up some bearded fundis instead of maintaining a presence there? You could call it the "Spring Crusading Season".) It is useless to force Western, Judeo-Christian values on a backward Islamic culture. (The Libertarian and Carlson/Ingraham / America-First view)
2. Kill the terrorists, keep some troops to do regular counterterrorism actions from protected outposts and airbases, and to prop up a puppet regime that is slightly less prone to harbor terrorists and do harm. (Neo-Con/ Crenshaw view if I'm not mistaken?)
3. Kill the terrorists, then rebuild the nation into a liberal paradise, where feminists, LGBTQ Pashtuns and the "moderate" Muslims dance on the pink rainbow of progress together with all the fluffy unicorns (the view of half-educated morons with worthless degrees in Hatewhiteology, i.e. almost all liberal arts professors, journalists, bureaucrats, deep statists, ...).




As I understand, the opinions on a military retreat, throughout history, fall roughly into the following categories:

A. Orderly, if necessary fighting retreat, making sure the baggage train, women, children, supporting troups and civilians in general are all safe before the last combat troops leave the area. (Archduke Carl of Austria, after the battle of Wagram).
B. Chaos, but try to salvage the situation as best as you can by careful planning and bold moves. (Napoleon at the Beresina river)
C. Blow up the bridge and screw those left behind. (Napoleon at the third day of the Battle of Leipzig)
D. "Who left who behind where? I want ice cream. Can I go to Camp David now?". (His Holiness Dear Leader, about the fall of Kabul, 2021)


I personally have evolved toward views 1 and A a long time ago, although I think a case can be made for views 2 and A. I'm just not sure about the cost-benefit analysis in the long term.


What I do know is that of all the ways to get out of Afghanistan, this is not the prettiest to say the least. Unless it's all part of some plan of course, in which case it is probably very pretty for the dark souls who organised it.

Minitrue wrote:Comrade Kook, I think your views have merit and should not be dismissed out of hand the truth is whatever the Party tells me. ... (quotation of MiniTrue abridged to save Red Square's bandwidth) ...

(Note: Somehow, the anti-data-mining countermeasures I employ are not appreciated by some aspects of the Cube's system resulting in a corruption of some of the code whenever I press "submit." So, I've added bold, red, ALL-CAPS text as a substitute for the normal proff-off clip art.)

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Dear MiniTrue,

Thank you for your tour-de-force response to my post.

In any context in which the Spring Cleaning approach were to be effective and practicable, I would favor it. Trump's Spring-Cleaning eradication of the ISIS Caliphate proved to be effective and practicable. It was in an area in which we had established (and maintained) sufficient resources to facilitate such Spring Cleaning. And I'm reasonably confident that even now we maintain within Iraq (and the nearby region) sufficient resources to deal effectively with the next need for Spring Cleaning. I don't think that approach is feasible with respect to Afghanistan.

I have no doubt that we would have been unable to keep the PPRNK in check (and prevent South Korea from again being overrun) if in 1976 we were to have said, "After having kept forces in South Korea for 20 years, it's time to go." South Korea had no cultural history supportive of the concepts of liberty-friendly governance, but in large part due to our long-term, multi-generational stabilization, South Korea became a economic powerhouse serving as an ally of liberty and opponent of tyranny.

I likewise have no doubt that we would have been unable to keep the USSR and PPRNK in check against Japan (which had been a feudalistic, brutal society governed by warlords with zero cultural history that would even remotely be supportive of the concepts of liberty-friendly governance and in which there were strong internal, pro-leftist, totalitarian political pressures in Japan all the way into the 1980s seeking to draw Japan into a Stalinist-style and/or Mao-style form of governance) if in 1965 we were to have said, "After having kept forces in Japan for 20 years, it's time to go." Instead, our multi-generational stabilization of Japan yielded an economic powerhouse serving as an ally of liberty and opponent of tyranny.

Remember the "bear any burden" part of John F. Kennedy's inaugural speech correctly recognizing that history is a long twilight struggle for liberty against tyranny? Since the Cube still can't embed my mp4-videos (and since I've basically ceased adding material to YouTube or other platforms that have the ability to suddenly "cancel" my accounts), I'm providing this link to a video of that part of JFK's inaugural address.

Reagan said it (to totalitarians) less eloquently but more succinctly: "We win, you lose."

I agree the burden of seeking to assure the ultimate triumph of liberty over tyranny is a great burden, but it's not nearly as heavy as the burden of being forced to live under totalitarianism (or WOKEness).

One of the lessons I thought we all learned from 9-11 was that the struggle against the totalitarianism of Islamic-Fanaticism would be a multi-generational struggle because that type of fanaticism is waging a "forever" war against us, and, becuase it's metasticized in many parts of the world, we need to keep "Spring Cleaning" equipment in place and available in an effective manner near all areas in which such fanaticism may be welcomed and supported.

My fear is that our total withdrawal from Afghanistan will yield a world more dangerous to us than was the case on 9-10.

--KOOK

KOOK wrote:PROG OFF
Afghanistan: Crenshaw-Reagan Realism Versus WOKE GroupThink and Anti-NeoCon GroupThink ...

Great summary, here and @PoliticalXray.
Learning never ends, they say.

spasiba-zankyous, Komrade KOOK.

Genosse Dummkopf wrote:

KOOK wrote:PROG OFF
Afghanistan: Crenshaw-Reagan Realism Versus WOKE GroupThink and Anti-NeoCon GroupThink ...

Great summary, here and @PoliticalXray.
Learning never ends, they say.

spasiba-zankyous, Komrade KOOK.

PROG OFF

Thanks, Comrade Dummkopf.

Fortunately for us, the ranks of our military (in contrast to some with high rank) are filled with troops who would rather risk death by seeking to stop or prevent the barbaric slaughter of innocents than to live by seeking to avoid contronting such barbarism.

Regarding what Biden derisively describes as the "refusal" of the Afghan army to fight the Taliban, I believe I'm correct in stating that although some (many?) of them may have been the Bo Bergdals of Afghanistan, many of them are (right now) engaging in a self-Dunkirk withdrawal to reach others desiring to join with other Afgans who had comprised the ranks of the Northern Alliance that was aggressively fighting against the Taliban way back when our forces first arrived in Afghanistan. (Many may also be desperately trying to protect their own families from Taliban retribution against those who serve, or have served, in the Afghan army.)

It's also my understanding that the effectiveness of the Afghan army (which has been taking many casualties since the US ceased direct-combat roles) was dependent upon US technicians supporting the Afghan air force as an integral and essential part of their strategy and tactics for effectively combatting the Taliban and that Biden ordered withdrawal of such technical support for the Afghan air force and thereby utterly undermined their ability to employ the tactics that had enabled them to have success against the Taliban.

Biden's having trashed the Afghan army for its non-effectiveness (in the wake their having been deserted by Biden) is why most of the British Pariliament loudly cheered the member of Parliament (who had served in combat with, and as an advisor to, the Afghan army) when he decried Biden's condemnation of the Afghan army as "shameful."

Furthermore, while virtually everyone seems to agree that we are honor bound (a concept that seems alien to Biden's character) to do our best to rescue the Afghans who served us (almost all of whom are men), what about the courageous women in Afghanistan who by virtue of their having become normal participants in society -- including roles as doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. are soon destined to soon become victims of Taliban barbarism???

To politically placate the WOKE mob, Joe Biden's precipitous and calamitous withdrawal has condemned THOUSANDS of such courageous women to eventually be slaughtered by the Taliban/Al-Qaeda alliance.

--KOOK

Most esteemedly equal Comrades,

'pelipsky's 3 decades of enjoying semilife under the terms of Wokeness in Texazistan, getting patted on the head every two years by Rethuglican candidates who insist to 'pelipsky that mythical fears and hardships of semilife under Wokeness is delusional in 'pelipsky's thinkfeeling. "Nothing is Woke here," they tell 'pelipsky when 'pelipsky knows from personal accumulated experience how Wokeness has spread to engulf the lives of other innocents that this false sense of Rethuglican bravado is even more insane than anything a weird horned rodent could ever imagine.

Complete character and financial destruction through Wokeness enacted by seemingly nice people has a way of altering the definition of "nice" people.

This is why 'pelipsky is overly harsh on elected Rethuglicans from Texazistan. Even Ted Cruz thought those fools gullible enough to attend a hate-fueled Trump Rally got what what they deserved when beaten by lawless thugs when exiting the venue. How WOKE is that???

30 years of unfenced gulag existence heightens awareness of WOKEness that will only conserve the status quo that will entrap and destitute others.

No comrade mindharm was intended. NONE!!

'pelipsky will pour a scant bowl of Coconut O's with desiccated bananas and eat in secure cell in solidarity with comrades secure in Afghanistan's fenced airport by Talib army.

humbleforelocktug,
'pelipsky

just wrap-up of above Kubic prudence:

Minitrue wrote:... I personally have evolved toward [highlight=#ffff80]views 1 and A[/highlight] a long time ago, although I think [highlight=#ffff80]a case can be made for views 2 and A[/highlight]. I'm just not sure about the [highlight=#ffffb0]cost-benefit analysis[/highlight] in the long term. ...

Yep.
Aaaand - how long? Here:

KOOK wrote:... multi-generational stabilization ...

Yes, Great Ronnie:
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.


Plus 120% realistical prospect:

KOOK wrote:... My fear is that our total withdrawal from Afghanistan {especially this way [Minitrue:]... of all the ways to get out of Afghanistan, this is not the prettiest to say the least ... [particularly: "transferring" Afghan Army (and some own) equipment straight to Talibs]} will yield a world more dangerous to us than was the case on 9-10.

And, of course:

Germany '45 , Japan '45 , South Korea '45 , ... , Afghanistan '02 ,

thousands of differences. Spot THE one.

Comrades, the latest word from The Party™ is that the problem in Kabul is due to Congestion™ at the airport. Remember that word, comrades. CONGESTION™ . It's an important word to remember.

This is, one could assume, due to a lack of TSA checkpoints inside the airport which is due to a lack of TSA recruits willing to fondle frisk grandmothers in a foreign shithole country for $15/hour (plus over time) when sitting at home binge watching M.A.S.H reruns pays $20/hour and one doesn't have to deal with accusations of over indulgence in beet vodka or sexual harassment lawsuits.

Of course, the Taliban have their own checkpoints, and that doesn't cost the tax payers anything.

This is what Responsible Government™ looks like.

To speed movement to the airport and onto the planes by Americans, Afghans who helped us, and other Afgans who don't pose any danger to us but are in danger (probably an incredibly large number) from the Taliban, we need to send a private Army with the organizational skills of Blackwater headed by a private General Patton to solve the problem. (Perhaps in military lingo, "private General" is an oxymoron -- maybe a General Private.)

--KOOK

Most palindromic KOOK,

Both ways of KOOK idea works for 'pelipsky's mythical soul's dreams of seeing something like this remedy.



That's when 'pelipsky's mythical mind isn't contemplating how much Swamp Turtle received in kind from China for Afghanistan's lithium wealth through this bonfire of humanity.

Here's a poem Winston Churchill memorized as a schoolboy and recalled during the gathering storm of the 1930's:

[blockquote]Who is in charge of the clattering train?
The axles creak and the couplings strain;
And the pace is hot, and the points are near,
And sleep has deadened the driver's ear;
And the signals flash through the night in vain,
For Death is in charge of the clattering train.

Punch, 1883[/blockquote]

Komissar al-Blogunov wrote:Calm down, everybody. Fightin' Joe says he's personally going to visit Kabul - with a double barreled shotgun! ...

(Komissar, good to see you redivivus!)

Wow! Can't wait for Han Bai-Din's newest painting:
"Cho double-barreling through Kabul in thick fog of war"

Look at this, comrades:
Emblem of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, variant 2013–2021:


A typical bourgeois design:
– you fellahs tend to beets (symbolized by the "rural" wreath), whereas
– I, pasha, sit on my golden throne (see it, prole?) in the golden chamber of my golden palazzo (cutely shaped as a rip-off Bavariastan). Above all that my golden sun, in the form of a Truth-o-Meter. And all that calligraphically commented - for those of you proles literate enough to decipher it, that is.

tchaaa...


But, but, lookie here:
Emblem of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, 2001+20:


Wow, what a graphic glory - any fan of B&W photography and cinema (and hieroglyphics) will admit!

And then, what stunning Iconographic Great Reset!
Lookie, just lookie, comrades:
(1) burzhui "Bavariastan" out, glorious Shahada and rising Talibsun in!
(2+3) wow: Hammering & Sickling replaced by Double-Pulwaring¹!
(4) yes! it will not be "just beet shovelers" - this time tractorists too!
(5) even more Progress! Bavariastani onion kitsch replaced by concrete Brutalist art!
(6) the umbilicus of the New Man Talib - The Ascent to Next Nah™/Sešanbe™!<sup>2



1</sup> pulwar : the Afghan variant of scimitar
² (Pashto) Nah / (Dari) Sešanbe : Tuesday



P.S.
I shudder to think, what Komrade Direktor may detect in the Talib-Emblem this time...

Komissar al-Blogunov wrote:

Calm down, everybody. Fightin' Joe says he's personally going to visit Kabul - with a double barreled shotgun! Taliban, you've been warned.

I picture Rambo, but with Biden's head. Well, a woke Rambo wearing a rainbow flag.

KOOK wrote:

Minitrue wrote:Comrade Kook, I think your views have merit and should not be dismissed out of hand the truth is whatever the Party tells me. ... (quotation of MiniTrue abridged to save Red Square's bandwidth) ...

PROG OFF

Dear MiniTrue,

Thank you for your tour-de-force response to my post.

........ etc, etc.

My fear is that our total withdrawal from Afghanistan will yield a world more dangerous to us than was the case on 9-10.

--KOOK

A case well made and point taken, Comrade. As a European I just worry a lot more about the tens of millions of potential jihadis growing up in our socialist-led big metropolises on the continent, than about the jihadis in Afghanistan. A rough comparison would be: worrying about an approaching storm while your house is on fire. But in a saner world I agree that both problems should cause concern.

Panem Et Circenses wrote:

Komissar al-Blogunov wrote:

Calm down, everybody. Fightin' Joe says he's personally going to visit Kabul - with a double barreled shotgun! Taliban, you've been warned.

I picture Rambo, but with Biden's head. Well, a woke Rambo wearing a rainbow flag.

Like this?

Colonel Obyezyana wrote:

Panem Et Circenses wrote:

Komissar al-Blogunov wrote:

Calm down, everybody. Fightin' Joe says he's personally going to visit Kabul - with a double barreled shotgun! Taliban, you've been warned.

I picture Rambo, but with Biden's head. Well, a woke Rambo wearing a rainbow flag.

Like this?

Similar - I photoshop like the French wage war... my thought was this:+

Although I have to admit - yours is hilarious. I just looked at it again and nearly spewed coffee all over the tear-stained keys of my computer. His expression is perfect.

Colonel Obyezyana wrote:
Like this?

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Reminds me of a movie poster... maybe "For a few trillion dollars more" ...?

Actual Chinese propaganda video from Xinhua Global News, released August 23, 2021:

CHINA NEWS MOCKS U.S. FOR AFGHANISTAN FAILURE

Colonel Obyezyana wrote:Actual Chinese propaganda video from Xinhua Global News, released August 23, 2021:

CHINA NEWS MOCKS U.S. FOR AFGHANISTAN FAILURE

IF there were to have been a C-17 near Tiananmen Square in June, 1989, there would have been countless Chinese citizens seeking to board it or to hide in the wheel-wells or to attempt to hang on the outside as it took-off. So, here below is the video that ought to somehow be appended (by someone with excellent coding skills) to the end of the Chinese propaganda video you identified:

Since the Cube cannot embed that video,
here's the direct link to it.

--KOOK

Panem Et Circenses wrote:... my thought was this:

I just can't see him with muscles or anything more than a Nerf shotgun.

Colonel Obyezyana wrote:
I just can't see him with muscles or anything more than a Nerf shotgun.

Yeah, you're right. Some things are just too ridiculous...

Both of you. Not admiring Premier Cho Bai-Din, and probably making fun of Kamala Harris when you're away from the keyboard.

Just plan on a knock on the door early in the morning, pack a bag with some winter woolies, and be sure to put your ration cards in my box at the train station, i'll take good care of them should you ever until you return.

Ivan the Stakhanovets wrote:
Both of you. Not admiring Premier Cho Bai-Din, and probably making fun of Kamala Harris when you're away from the keyboard.

I feel shame... I am guilty and denounce myself.

Ivan the Stakhanovets wrote:Not admiring Premier Cho Bai-Din, and probably making fun of Kamala Harris

Oooh, I'm not ashamed at all. Cho Bai-Din and Gobbala Harris are WEF Globalists and lackeys of the corrupt and exploitive Chinese "Communist" Party (a clique of greedy capitalists using communism as a cloak to obscure their self-serving misdeeds).

https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/27/xi-jinping-openly-attributes-his-genocidal-tyranny-to-marxism/

None of these pretenders are committed to the International. None of them relish the glorious dream of Next Tuesday. They misuse the tools that Marx provided in order to fill their own pockets at the expense of the masses.

Shame should only go to those who admire these false and incompetent hooligans as if they were champions of the socialist ideal.

As Obi Don may have once said, "These aren't the human hemorrhoids you're looking for."

Variation on an older TPC theme.

My level of anger and sadness cannot be put into words.

The Markland Video